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OpenStudy (firejay5):

Here is the function table worksheet: I am confused on some of the parts and it's on a word document, so I hope you can read it.

OpenStudy (firejay5):

OpenStudy (firejay5):

@ganeshie8 @jim_thompson5910 @Hero @sammixboo @satellite73 the ones that are starred (******) are the ones that I can't do

OpenStudy (anonymous):

where you see an \(x\) put an \(m\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

for example \[f(x)=|x|+3\\ f(m)=|m|+3\]

OpenStudy (firejay5):

so is the answer |m| + 3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (firejay5):

@satellite73 on #5 what about f(3a) for the function 3x^2 - 2x + 5 for the answer I got 27a^2 - 6a + 5

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

seems good to me

OpenStudy (firejay5):

I mean is that right just asking

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

yes it is!

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

@ganeshie8 i wondered who is this black picture holder lol hehe where is pi lol

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

lol \[f(b+2) = |b+2|+3\] it wont simplify further i think..

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

yep you can't go any further :P

OpenStudy (firejay5):

@ganeshie8 what about 2[|x|] - 5 function

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\left[[x\right]]\) is the largest `integer` less than or equal to \(x\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

for example : \(\left[[3.2\right]] = 3\) because 3 is the largest integer which is still less than 3.2

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\left[[-3.2\right]] = -4\) for the same reason -4 is the largest integer less than or equal to -3.2

OpenStudy (firejay5):

how would I plug it into my calculator

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you dont need calculator for filling in your table

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

try filling the 2[[x]]-5 column manually

OpenStudy (firejay5):

@ganeshie8 this is what I got on Wolfram Alpha: http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2%5B%5B-5%5D%5D+-5

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[f(-5) = 2[[-5]]-5 \] -5 is an integer so [[-5]] = -5 plug that in and simplify

OpenStudy (firejay5):

@ganeshie8 do that problem as an example to help me better understand it

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\begin{align}f(-5) &= 2[[-5]]-5 \\~\\&= 2(-5) - 5\\~\\& = -10 -5\\~\\&=-15\end{align}\] let me see you work f(-1.2)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you need to think of number line which `integer` comes immediate left of -1.2 ?

OpenStudy (firejay5):

f(-1.2) = 2[[-1.2]] - 5 = 2 (-1.2) - 5 = -2.4 - 5 = -7.4

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

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OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

what is largest integer less than -1.2

OpenStudy (firejay5):

-1.2

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

oh what he did with -5 i different [(-5)]=-5 since -5 is integer itself greatest integer function is producing the largest integer less than or equal to x

OpenStudy (firejay5):

-1

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

the largest integer less than -1.2 would be -2 don't you agree

OpenStudy (firejay5):

yes

OpenStudy (firejay5):

2(-2) - 5 right?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

no that's not less that -1.2 -1 is greater than -1.2

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

yes

OpenStudy (firejay5):

okay I am confused is it -2 or -1

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

itis -2 since -2<-1.2

OpenStudy (firejay5):

can you do this one now f(-3.2)=2[(-3.2)]-5 It's -3, so (2*-3) - 5

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

no not quite is -3 less than -3.2?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

think about an integer less than -3.2

OpenStudy (firejay5):

it's -3

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

no draw a number line and put those number on it

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

-3>-3.2 you know

OpenStudy (firejay5):

fine it's -4

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

yes!

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

okay how about f(-0.2)=2[[-0.2]]-5

OpenStudy (firejay5):

now question: For this type of fuction, [[x]], is it always the number less than itself or is it sometimes greater than itself

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

it is always a number less than x that's why it is called greatest integer function look here http://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/eps-gif/FloorFunction_1000.gif

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

i know what throws you off the word "greatest" integer less than or equal that indicates only that the integer is the largest one that can be less for a value x

OpenStudy (firejay5):

so if it's [[0.15]] would it be 1

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

no again remember greatest integer "less" than 0.15

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

see the graph i posted all the number 0.something their greatest integer that is less is zero

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

[[1.3]] try this

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

let me ask is 1 < 0.15? think about it, it has to n<x where n is the greatest integer

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

be*

OpenStudy (firejay5):

sorry it would be 0.1 not 1 right

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

no i said the answer already it is 0

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

0.1 is not an integer

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

we are interest in integers (that's why it is called greatest integer function)

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

interested*

OpenStudy (firejay5):

well what's f(0.1) for the greatest integer function of 2[[x]] - 5

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

f(0.1)=2[[0.1]]-5=2(0)-5=-5

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

[[0.1]]=0

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