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OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

Erggh I keep getting it wrong? Implicit differentiation?

OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

If x^2-2xy+3y^2=8 then dy/dx =?

OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

I used the product rule

OpenStudy (danjs):

ok, implicit differentiation is another application of the chain rule

OpenStudy (danjs):

and you will use the product rule too for the 2xy term

OpenStudy (danjs):

let me type a bit of it out...

OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

2x-2y+dy/dx*x+6y*dy/dx

OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

\[2x-2y=\frac{ dy }{ dx }(-x-6y)\]

OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

So I get \[\frac{ 2x-2y }{ -x-6y }\]

OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

But it's not one of my answer choices ;'(

OpenStudy (danjs):

\[\frac{ d }{ dx }x^2 -[ 2x\frac{ d }{ dy }y*\frac{ dy }{ dx } + y*\frac{ d }{ dx }2x] + \frac{ d }{ dy }3y^2*\frac{ dy }{ dx } = \frac{ d }{ dx }8\]

OpenStudy (danjs):

you see how the chain rule works, for y terms w.r.t. x \[\frac{ d }{ dy }*\frac{ dy }{ dx }\] first take the derivative w.r.t. Y, then y with respect to x

OpenStudy (danjs):

so overall you get d/dx

OpenStudy (danjs):

The middle term 2xy is the one in brackets, product rule

OpenStudy (danjs):

\[2x - [ 2x*(1) \frac{ dy }{ dx } + y *2] + 6y \frac{ dy }{ dx } = 0\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

To verify your answer, \[\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{x-y}{x-3 y}\]

OpenStudy (danjs):

solve for dy/dx

OpenStudy (danjs):

\[2x - 2x \frac{ dy }{ dx } - 2y+ 6y \frac{ dy }{ dx } = 0\]

OpenStudy (danjs):

did i mess something up?

OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

\[2x-2y+2x*\frac{ dy }{ dx }+6y*\frac{ dy }{ dx }\]

OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

\[\frac{ dy }{ dx }(2x+6y)=-2x+2y\]

OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

\[\frac{ dy }{ dx }=\frac{ -2x+2y }{ 2x+6y }\]

OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

I didn't get x−y/x-3y :(

OpenStudy (danjs):

i think you messed up a sign somewhere.

OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

ohhh I got it this time!!! :D

OpenStudy (danjs):

yeah, the second term is subtracted, put the entire product rule in parenthesis, that is the sign you missed

OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

yayyy thanks so much guys ^_^

OpenStudy (danjs):

look at my last step, that is correct after you simplify and solve for dy/dx

OpenStudy (danjs):

cool, your welcome

OpenStudy (danjs):

remember parenthesis, and the negative distributes to each term in the product rule

OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

^_^

OpenStudy (danjs):

\[2x - 2y + (6y - 2x)\frac{ dy }{ dx } = 0\]

OpenStudy (danjs):

\[\frac{ dy }{ dx } = \frac{ -2x + 2y }{ 6y - 2x }\]

OpenStudy (danjs):

pull out a negative and a 2 from everything , and cancel, it ends up good

OpenStudy (danjs):

\[\frac{ dy }{ dx } = \frac{ -2(x-y) }{ -2(x-3y) } = \frac{ x-y }{ x-3y }\]

OpenStudy (danjs):

That was the answer you were looking for right?

OpenStudy (fanduekisses):

well there is an option: y-x/3y-x

OpenStudy (danjs):

right, just leave the negatives in for that answer

OpenStudy (danjs):

multiply above by (-1)/(-1)

OpenStudy (danjs):

THe original one i had was \[\frac{ dy }{ dx } = \frac{ -2x + 2y }{ 6y - 2x }\] just take a common factor 2 out, to get your final answer

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