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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Which of the following correctly describes the nature of each curve below as either f or f'? a. The answer cannot be determined. b. f: Curve B, f': Curve A c. f': both Curve A and Curve B d. f : Curve A, f ′: Curve B

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@myininaya you helped me on the last one please help me again

OpenStudy (greencat):

Well, cure A is power 3 and B is power 2.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so derivatives have nothing to do with this? is that true @GreenCat

OpenStudy (greencat):

Derivatives? I didn't understand the question and was going to ask for clarification, but now this seems like calculus. I don't think I should be helping. i only learned to College Algebra. Sorry.

OpenStudy (greencat):

Well, it seems as if the asker is smarter than me.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@TuringTest @iambatman @eliassaab i am in desperate need of help

OpenStudy (greencat):

;-; I'm sorry bye.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

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TheSmartOne (thesmartone):

:/ Sorry I don't know. Can't help. @iambatman @ganeshie8 @wio @Directrix @mathmate @DanJS Might be able to help :)

OpenStudy (some.random.cool.kid):

this cant be determined. :}

OpenStudy (mathmate):

@familyguymath Have you done derivatives yet?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Derivatives are rates of change of a function.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right

OpenStudy (mathmate):

When a function is at it's maximum or minimum, what is the value of the derivative?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i forgot

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i just know basic pwr rule

OpenStudy (mathmate):

What is the derivative of x^2

OpenStudy (mathmate):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

2x

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Good, see the figure?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

When f(x) is decreasing, is f'(x) positive or negative?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so what ur saying is that the answer is b

OpenStudy (anonymous):

its increasing

OpenStudy (mathmate):

I don't know, because I have not checked which is f and which is f'. When f(x) is decreasing, it is the part to the left of the vertex. Is f'(x) positive or negative?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i know the answer isnt b

OpenStudy (mathmate):

If you are distracted by the answer by guessing, you will have a hard time doing your next problem. I want you to get your answer by yourself, after having understood how it works. Do we understand each other?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

There's the saying" Give a man a fish, he will be fed for a day (or less) Show him how to fish, he can be fed for life! Not about to give you a fish.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no i just got that wrong before when i answered it but thats not what is important to me i want to know how to do this i mean my logic in it was that the parabola was not the derivative and the other was but then i realizied it wasnt

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i understand that and i dont want an answer i want to go about learning how to do it

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Good, let's continue with my example of f(x)=x^2. Which part of the function is decreasing?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the lefthand side, prior to the vertex

OpenStudy (anonymous):

intersection

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Excellent! Which part is increasing?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

after the intersection

TheSmartOne (thesmartone):

@mathmate to the rescue! :)

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Perfect! Good job! Now did you notice that f'(x) is negative on the left of the vertex, and is positive to the right of the intersection?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

This is what f'(x) means, it shows the rate of change of f(x). ok so far?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (mathmate):

So what is the rate of change at the vertex (a minimum), you can read that off from f'(x).

OpenStudy (anonymous):

2x

OpenStudy (mathmate):

well, at x=0, f'(x) crosses the x-axis, which means that f'(0)=0. The important lesson to learn is that at the maximum or minimum of a function, f'(x)=0!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh okay :)

OpenStudy (mathmate):

This fact will help you in your problem to distinguish which one is f(x), and which one is f'(x). Can you give it a try now?

OpenStudy (some.random.cool.kid):

not to intrude but like i said up there i think its A at least thats what i got when solving it.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

to mathmate doing it rn

OpenStudy (mathmate):

@some.random.cool.kid Thank you for trying to help. I am here to show him HOW to find it, not to give him the answer.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

@some.random.cool.kid I hope you would do the same, because at Openstudy, we are not to give answers only. We are expected to guide and explain. You can read all about it at "code of conduct".

OpenStudy (some.random.cool.kid):

yeah i got that and im not giving him the answer im just saying from my perspective of what it seems like but carry on. im doing my own math segment so go ahead and continue so he can pass. :}

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Exactly what I want him to do: pass but by himself. Thank you for understanding. @some.random.cool.kid

OpenStudy (anonymous):

curve b looks like a parabola of x^2 whereas curve a looks like its x^to an odd number

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Good, you see the difference. Another way to do that is if you can tell the degree of the curves, you can judge from the power rule: the degree of f'(x) of a polynomial is always on less than that of f(x). But I want to show you another check.

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Yes, curve B is a 2nd degree, and curve A is a 3rd degree. That tells you that ....

OpenStudy (mathmate):

@familyguymath still there?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

answer cannot be determined due to the fact that neither of each other is another's derivative, right?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Can you not deduce something (using the power rule) from curve B is second degree, and curve A is third degree?

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Also you can confirm that the value of f'(x)=0 when f(x) has a maximum or minimum. (A) is not the answer, for your information.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x^2 derivative is 2x and x^3 derivative is 3x^2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

????

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@mathmate

OpenStudy (mathmate):

So which one is f(x) and which one is f'(x)? We still have to check/confirm after we have decided!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

f is curve a and f' is curve b

OpenStudy (mathmate):

Perfect! Now we need to do some check!

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