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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Need help on derivatives. attachment inside

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (danjs):

which one

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i need help on the concavity part on 11 and i also need help on number 21

OpenStudy (danjs):

f(x) = 6x - x^2 find f ' (x) = 0

OpenStudy (danjs):

for max/mins and f '' (x) = 0 to test for inflections

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

my favorite quote for concavity: *in a catchy little chant* "Concave up, Looks like a cup. Concave down, looks like a frown"

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

I'll let dan do the rest since he's more detailed already

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

It's my absolute favorite chant for calculus!

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

but this is better https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqwC41RDPyg

OpenStudy (danjs):

anyway this graph goes, it is differentiable.... to meee

OpenStudy (danjs):

Both of these probs, are just the power rule use to differentiate... f(x) = 6x - x^2 f ' (x) = 6 - 2x f ''(x) = -2 For relative Max/Min, set f'(x) to locate critical points to test for a change in increasing/decreasing

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

thrift shop is good too, but I digress. @OutSpoken find first and second derivatives then report back to us :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

f'(x)=6-2x and f''(x)=-2

OpenStudy (danjs):

f ' (x) = 0 = 6 - 2x critical point - x = 3

OpenStudy (danjs):

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OpenStudy (danjs):

test if f ' (x) is pos or negative on either side of the critical point x=3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait

OpenStudy (anonymous):

dont i have to do critical points for the second derivative

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so f''(0)=-2 ?

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

yep, and it's negative right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ya

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

so, a negative second deriv implies what?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

concave down

OpenStudy (danjs):

f ' (0) is not -2 f ' (x) = 6 - 2(0) = 6 (+)

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

^believe him, I didn't check your work.

OpenStudy (danjs):

i was gonna go with it till i just graphed the f(x). lol

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

but same method for f(0)=6

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no i mean to find the critical points dont i set the second derivative to 0 ?

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

f''(0)=6

OpenStudy (danjs):

yeah, f ' (x) = 0 = 6 - 2x x = 3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

isnt the second derivative f;;(x)= -2 ?

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

no, cause it's a constant. Ie you have a car moving with constant acceleration a variable velocity and f(x) shows the position at any given time

OpenStudy (danjs):

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OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

also, we have the wrong function for 11, second deriv should have an x somewhere in general

OpenStudy (danjs):

There is no concavity switch, the second derivative is constant negative, always will be concave down

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

\[f(x)=x^3-6x^2+12x\]

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

according to the worksheet

OpenStudy (danjs):

i was doing 21, the whole time.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Im sorry can we start all over. Are we doing 11 or 21 first ?

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

lol, I was doing 11 hahahahah

OpenStudy (danjs):

f(x) = 6x - x^2 f ' (x) = 6 - 2x f '' (x) = -2 ------------------ f ' (x) = 0 when x = 3 (3 is the only critical point to test)

OpenStudy (danjs):

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OpenStudy (danjs):

the first derivative f'(x) = 6 - 2x is positive for x is less than 3, and negative for x is larger than 3... The function is increasing on the interval (-infinity, 3) and decreasing on interval (3,infinity)

OpenStudy (danjs):

the second derivative is a constant negative number, there is no inflection point, the function is always concave down. f ''(x) = -2

OpenStudy (danjs):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay but the question is asking me to do the second derivative test so do i ignore the first derivative test in my final answer ?

OpenStudy (danjs):

The relative extrema - goes from increasing to decreasing - relative maximum

OpenStudy (danjs):

second derivative not applicable on this one, it is always concave down

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

The second derivative tells us concavity. The first derivative tells us slope changes

OpenStudy (fibonaccichick666):

*It is concave down because the second derivative is always negative. The fact that it is negative is the second derivatives information. Since there are no critical points in the second derivative, we do not have to check anything else.*

OpenStudy (danjs):

setting f ' ' (x) = 0 will give you points of inflection on the graph. since f ' ' (x) = -2 0 = -2 ? there are no points of inflection for this function

OpenStudy (danjs):

The only extrema value is x = 3, the first derivative changes from + to - , the graph changes from increasing to decreasing slopes of the tangent. X=3 is a relative maximum.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if its changing from increasing to decresing doesnt that mean its a relative minimum?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and isnt the answer relative minimum (-infinity, 3) and relative max (3,infinity)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and where did the (3,9) come from ?

OpenStudy (danjs):

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