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OpenStudy (dtan5457):

Help solving this rational expression..

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

\[\frac{ x+3 }{ x-3 }+\frac{ x }{ x-5 }=\frac{ x+5 }{ x-5 }\]

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

@Nnesha

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

I multiplied the first fraction by x-5 and the second by x-3

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

I added it, crossed multiply, but this doesn't like right..

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

@DanJS

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you could do that, or you could multiply both sides by \((x-3)(x-5)\) to get rid of the fractions

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

Could you help me with my method? That's what I usually do.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

frist multiply by each different factor top and bottom and then when the denominators are the same you can add or subtract

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

That's what i did

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well what did you get?

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

\[\frac{ x^2-2x-15 }{ x^2-8x+15 }+\frac{ x^2-3x }{ x^2-8x+15 }=\frac{ x+5 }{ x-5 }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

now you can simply combine like terms the top

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

Ok I got

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

\[\frac{ 2x^2-5x-15 }{ x^2-8x+15 }=\frac{ x+5 }{ x-5 }\]

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

right?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait a sec

OpenStudy (anonymous):

actually you were wrong for the second factor I think. How did you get x^2-3x??

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

x(x-3)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

Any more thoughts? lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ya how about just like the factors both top and bottom

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so you might be able to cross out

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait what was the question are we supposed to solve for x?

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

yes..

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

@satellite73

OpenStudy (anonymous):

do think would it work if multiply both sides by (x-5) to get rid of it

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

both sides of what

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

@freckles

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

If I did this correctly i'm just stuck at

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I dont think this is factorable

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i believe so I don't know either lol

OpenStudy (anonymous):

2x^2.... is not factorable with rational number

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I dont know if it would work with replacement

OpenStudy (anonymous):

do you have the answer choice?

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

The answer is 0,7. Just don't know how they got there.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x=0 and x=7 right?

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

mhm

OpenStudy (anonymous):

give me a sec let me replace those value for x and see if its true

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it works :(

OpenStudy (freckles):

I think the easiest way was to have initially aimed to clear your problem of fractions.

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

@AriPotta

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

How do I do that?

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

Can you get the solution just from my method?

OpenStudy (freckles):

Multiply both sides by the lcm of the bottoms ... I will have to look at your way on the desktop.

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

(x-3)(x-5), how will this remove fractions?

OpenStudy (freckles):

Things cancel when you divide something by itself

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

Can you draw it or use equation? Not quite seeing it

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

Oh, wait

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

Never mind

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

I know what your saying

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yo how about subtract to make the other equal zero!!!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

from where we left off

Nnesha (nnesha):

need help ??

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

@freckles Would you say it's always a better idea to use that method instead of mine?

OpenStudy (freckles):

yes :p

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[\frac{ x+3 }{ x-3 }+\frac{ x }{ x-5 }=\frac{ x+5 }{ x-5 } \\ \text{ multiply both sides by } (x-3)(x-5) \\ (x+3)(x-5)+x(x-3)=(x+5)(x-3)\]

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

Yup, and I'm left off with x^2-7x x(x-7) x=7,0 :D

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so probably it gonna be like this \[(2x^2-5x-15)/(x-5)(x-3) - (x+5)/(x-5)=0\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[(x+3)(x-5)=(x-3)(x+5)-(x-3)x \\ (x+3)(x-5)=(x-3)[x+5-x] \\ (x+3)(x-5)=(x-3)5 \\ (x+3)(x-5)=5x-15 \\ x^2-2x-15=5x-15 \\ x^2-2x-5x=0\] yes it results into that exactly

OpenStudy (freckles):

now I guess you were just combining fractions?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x(x-7)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

x(x-7)/(x-5)(x-3) = 0

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

Thanks everyone

Nnesha (nnesha):

i will post later other method that u posted above^^ bec of lag <--- take too much time to load pate

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so you understand it now? @dtan5457

Nnesha (nnesha):

page *** not pate :P

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

ok @Nnesha

OpenStudy (freckles):

so you got here: \[\frac{ x+3 }{ x-3 }+\frac{ x }{ x-5 }=\frac{ x+5 }{ x-5 } \] \[ \frac{(x+3)(x-5)}{(x-3)(x-5)}+\frac{x(x-3)}{(x-3)(x-5)}=\frac{x+5}{x-5}\] \[\frac{x^2-2x-15+x^2-3x}{x^2-8x+15}=\frac{x+5}{x-5}\] \[\frac{2x^2-5x-15}{x^2-8x+15}=\frac{x+5}{x-5}\] You can do this thing that people like to call cross multiplication (really it is just multiplying stuff ) \[(2x^2-5x-15)(x-5)=(x^2-8x+15)(x+5)\] \[2x^3-10x^2-5x^2+25x-15x+75= \\ x^3+5x^2-8x^2-40x+15x+75\] \[x^3-15x^2+3x^2+65x-30x=0\] \[x^3-12x^2+35x=0\] \[x(x^2-12x+35)=0\] \[x(x-7)(x-5)=0\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

This is the way I think you intended to go about it

OpenStudy (freckles):

you get x=0 or x=7 or x=5 but x=5 can't be a solution anyhow because it isn't in the domain of the original equation

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

How did you know 5 isn't in the domain?

OpenStudy (freckles):

do you know in the orginial equation you have x-5 and x-3 in the denominators right?

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

yes

OpenStudy (freckles):

if we have gotten x=3 or x=5 we would know either of these would be a contradiction

OpenStudy (freckles):

because we cannot divide by 0

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

Ohh

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

Got it

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

definitely going to use your first method though, a ton easier

OpenStudy (freckles):

well there is another variant of your way if you want to see that too but it is kinda close to what we did in the method I prefer

OpenStudy (freckles):

so you found a common denominator for one side you could do it for both sides though

OpenStudy (freckles):

find a common denominator for both sides

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

then cross out?

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[\frac{ x+3 }{ x-3 }+\frac{ x }{ x-5 }=\frac{ x+5 }{ x-5 } \] like you multiply first fraction by (x-5)/(x-5) second fraction by (x-3)/(x-3) and we will do the third fraction by (x-3)/(x-3) -- this was we will have the bottom on both sides and all we have to do is set the tops equal to each other like this: \[\frac{x+3}{x-3} \frac{x-5}{x-5}+\frac{x}{x-5} \frac{x-3}{x-3}=\frac{x+5}{x-5} \frac{x-3}{x-3} \\ \frac{(x+3)(x-5)+x(x-3)}{(x-3)(x-5)}=\frac{(x+5)(x-3)}{(x-3)(x-5)} \\ \text{ set tops equal }\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

we will have the same bottoms on both side*

OpenStudy (freckles):

(x+3)(x-5)+x(x-3)=(x+5)(x-3) but this is gives the exact same equation that one method gives

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

I see. Still gonna use the first method though

OpenStudy (freckles):

lol ok :)

OpenStudy (dtan5457):

Thanks :)

OpenStudy (freckles):

np :)

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