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OpenStudy (aaliyahfairgood):

I would like to know what people think about life, pointing towards God, what happens after you die, etc

OpenStudy (aaliyahfairgood):

I believe God has sent us here for a mission,

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well in the bible it never said that you will go directly to heaven you have to wait till Jesus come and he will pick you up for if you were loyal to him

OpenStudy (anonymous):

true

OpenStudy (aaliyahfairgood):

For you, is this a faith or a religion

OpenStudy (anonymous):

both

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well I would like to explain it to you using bible based truth

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Found in the real Bible

OpenStudy (anonymous):

go ahead

OpenStudy (aaliyahfairgood):

I understand the bible I just wish to reach out to those who don't

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ik like jjuden

OpenStudy (aaliyahfairgood):

yeah, she reminded me of this guy Richie he felt like he could not learn to love anyone his emotions are so mixed up the rain excites him the sun is depressing to him. maybe because it reminds him of his own sadness

OpenStudy (anonymous):

both of yah have a bible?

OpenStudy (aaliyahfairgood):

It is quite complicated to explain these things

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh mkay... well the dead are consience of nothing so that means when we die... the soul dies... BUT if we were faithful to jehovah and kept his commandments then... we will have a chance to live on earth forever!!!! But the wicked will be destroyed and... wont exist anymore.... As for the ones who will be in heaven.. those are the anointed who will rule with christ in his heavenly kingdom!!!!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what day do yah worship in?

OpenStudy (aaliyahfairgood):

yes but most of the time I bring up the verses that I had memorized on my free time

OpenStudy (aaliyahfairgood):

i should mention some people

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i wish i was you bcz i really do talk to this to people but i dont really have memorized verses

OpenStudy (anonymous):

look im SDA

OpenStudy (anonymous):

..... okay.... it looks like im not neede here

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok jojo thx for everything tho

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@jojobuck

OpenStudy (aaliyahfairgood):

@bibby @jabez177 @AllemandaRinger @dan815 @AbbySmith12 @camerondohearty @chosenmatt @xo.minnie.xox @jojobuck @alyssa_xo

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yesss? @aaliyahfairgood

OpenStudy (aaliyahfairgood):

I believe from that dream I had, God will come soon, and everything he touches will become holy, and you can only stand in awe

OpenStudy (anonymous):

when?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Our mission now is to Preach the Truth throughout the word, even when people shut us down we keep going. Well I know Hell doesn't exist (I have an explanation if you want) and only 144,00 will go to Heaven (explanation) And for the rest of us remaining I believe we will live on a Paradise here on Earth.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How could you possibly know the absolute definite amount of people who are going 2 heaven? explain..... @xo.minnie.xox

OpenStudy (anonymous):

In the Bible in Revelation 5:10 "and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” Proves their will be people living in Heaven,but it says rule over the EARTH so people will still be on Earth not everyone will go to Heaven (Paradise Earth). Then in Revelation 7:2-4 it says " 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the sunrise,* having a seal of the living God; and he called with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3 saying: “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, until after we have sealed the slaves of our God in their foreheads.” 4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel" Which kind of explains where 144,000 comes from @AllemandaRinger

OpenStudy (anonymous):

YES!!!! sorry it took so long

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@xo.minnie.xox YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

I have to disagree :) this doesn't exactly prove anything, but is merely one interpretation of these particular passages of scripture. There are many other parts of the Bible that would contradict this interpretation, as well. Also, what makes you say Hell doesn't exist?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It really doesnt make since when you think about it @TheRaggedyDoctor...WHATEVER image the word “hell” brings to your mind, hell is generally thought of as a place of punishment for sin. Concerning sin and its effect, the Bible says: “Through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned.” (Romans 5:12) The Scriptures also state: “The wages sin pays is death.” (Romans 6:23) Since the punishment for sin is death, the fundamental question in determining the true nature of hell is: What happens to us when we die? Since the dead have no conscious existence, hell cannot be a fiery place of torment where the wicked suffer after death. What, then, is hell? Examining what happened to Jesus after he died helps to answer that question. The Bible writer Luke recounts: “Neither was [Jesus] forsaken in Hades [hell, King James Version] nor did his flesh see corruption.”* (Acts 2:31) Where was the hell to which even Jesus went? The apostle Paul wrote: “I handed on to you . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; and that he was buried, yes, that he has been raised up the third day according to the Scriptures.” (1 Corinthians 15:3, 4) So Jesus was in hell, the grave, but he was not abandoned there, for he was raised up, or resurrected.Consider also the case of the righteous man Job, who suffered much. Wishing to escape his plight, he pleaded: “Who will grant me this, that thou mayest protect me in hell [Sheol], and hide me till thy wrath pass?”* (Job 14:13, Douay Version) How unreasonable to think that Job desired to go to a fiery-hot place for protection! To Job, “hell” was simply the grave, where his suffering would end. The Bible hell, then, is the common grave of mankind where good people as well as bad ones go........ To read full go to http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2002521?q=hell&p=par

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sorry for the ? just refresh the page

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I meant *does

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

Ah, once again that is one interpretation. The Bible isn't talking about physical death here. It's talking about spiritual death, which is separation from God. If physical death were the punishment for sin, it wouldn't really be a punishment at all without a Hell. Besides, it's mentioned multiple times in the Bible, you can't focus on these particular interpretations of these particular verses and ignore the rest of what God's word says about Hell.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

He is saying that is what it is... hell is the grave not a fiery torture

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Some teach that if you live a good life, you will go to heaven but if you live a bad life, you will burn in a place of torment. Other religions teach that at death, people pass on to the spirit realm to be with their ancestors. Still other religions teach that the dead go to an underworld to be judged and are then reincarnated, or reborn in another body. 4 Such religious teachings all share one basic idea—that some part of us survives the death of the physical body. According to almost every religion, past and present, we somehow live on forever with the ability to see, hear, and think. Yet, how can that be? Our senses, along with our thoughts, are all linked to the workings of our brain. At death, the brain stops working. Our memories, feelings, and senses do not continue to function independently in some mysterious way. They do not survive the destruction of our brain.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Overall the idea of fiery torment makes no since

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sense

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

Yes, he is saying it is what it is. But what it is is probably not what you think it is. Spiritual death vs. physical death is one of the things that is stressed in the Bible. Hell is also mentioned multiple, multiple times as the "lake of fire." It states in the Bible that in the end, the devil, the antichrist, and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire. This clearly does not mean death, since Satan is an eternal being. Please explain to me how Hell makes no sense?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

.....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

WHAT IS “THE LAKE OF FIRE”? Revelation 20:10 says that the Devil will be cast into “the lake of fire” and “tormented day and night for ever and ever.” (King James Version) If the Devil were to be tortured for all eternity, God would have to preserve him alive, but the Bible says that Jesus will “destroy him.” (Hebrews 2:14, KJ) The symbolic fiery lake represents “the second death.” (Revelation 21:8) This is not the death first mentioned in the Bible—death because of Adam’s sin—death from which one may be released by a resurrection. (1 Corinthians 15:21, 22) Because the Bible does not say that “the lake of fire” would release those in it, “the second death” must mean another kind of death, an irreversible one. In what sense are those in “the lake of fire” tormented eternally? At times, “to torment” can mean “to restrain” someone. Once when Jesus confronted the demons, they cried out: “Art thou come hither to torment us [restrain us in the abyss] before the time?” (Matthew 8:29; Luke 8:30, 31; KJ) So all of those in “the lake” will suffer the “torment” of everlasting restraint, or “the second death.”

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200002669

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

Instead of over thinking things, we can easily take a look at what it's actually saying. The second death is, like I said before, spiritual death. Hell. Like you said, the "second death" must be irreversible. I think that's all I really need to say xD

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You dont understand

OpenStudy (anonymous):

its hard to expain it to you so im just gonna stop

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Raggedy, wouldn't you say God would be a god of love?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@TheRaggedyDoctor ^

OpenStudy (anonymous):

And I mean, the bible DOES say Hell exist, but its not what everyone thinks it is.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Its not a "fiery place of torment"

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ecc 9:10 “There is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol.” Those in hell are unconscious and so cannot feel pain. If I was in a fiery place of torment im sure I would feel it so thats ONE reason its not.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Eternal torment would violate God’s justice. (Deuteronomy 32:4) When the first man, Adam, sinned, God told him that his punishment would simply be to pass out of existence: “Dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Genesis 3:19) God would have been lying if he were actually sending Adam to a fiery hell.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

God does not even contemplate eternal torment. The idea that he would punish people in hellfire is contrary to the Bible’s teaching that “God is love.”—1 John 4:8; Jeremiah 7:31.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The Bible hell... is the common grave of mankind where good people as well as bad ones go...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(Deep slumber/Hell/Grave).

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Like I said earlier

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Consider also the case of the righteous man Job, who suffered much. Wishing to escape his plight, he pleaded: “Who will grant me this, that thou mayest protect me in hell [Sheol], and hide me till thy wrath pass?”* (Job 14:13, Douay Version) How unreasonable to think that Job desired to go to a fiery-hot place for protection! To Job, “hell” was simply the grave, where his suffering would end.

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

Ohhhhh, this is where you misunderstand me. I don't believe that God is some big bully in the sky who sends bad people to their doom. Hell would not violate God's love for us, since God didn't create evil and therefore did not create Hell, either. God is not the one to "send" people there, he's the one to save people from it, to trade his life for theirs. That's... the entire goal of Jesus' life on earth.

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

(Apologies for the late reply, btw)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmmmmmm

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Im saying That such a place doesnt even exist... hell is the grave where people die not fiery torment.. When adam and eve sinned we were just going to die and not exist... Jesus ( GOD S SON) came as a ransom so that if we remain faithful to his father and his commandments we have a hope of living again...forever..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay, well you do believe Hell is real right? If God didn't make it or send us there who did? Considering God made everything it just wouldn't make sense.

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

@jojobuck Well, if that were Jesus' purpose, he wouldn't have to have died, and yet he did. Speaking of Jesus, he taught more about Hell than he did Heaven. @xo.minnie.xox God didn't create evil, either. Evil is a perversion of good, which is the reason it cannot be quite as powerful as good. Our free will to disobey God is what creates evil, which is how sex turns into sexual immorality, talking into lying, and a prideful Angel into the Devil himself. God didn't make everything. As for who "sent" us there, that would be ourselves. We naturally choose evil every day, and we cannot possibly live sinless lives as Jesus did, so we trust in him and only him to save us. Heaven is a place for perfect people, not people who did a lot of good things.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

God (jehovah) created everything he is the creator... He even created satan and the demonds.. But when he created them they were angels... And jesus DID have to die on earth as a human.. because adam was a human and perfect.. so he was just paying for our sins so we have a chance to live forever..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You said Heaven is a place for perfect people? Well EVERYONE on Earth is imperfect. So by that definition no one would be going to Heaven...Not even the anointed 144,000

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

@jojobuck No, he did not create evil. If he did, then he wouldn't be a good God, so that's exactly what I was saying. He didn't create evil, so why would he have created Hell? It seemed to me like a weird question to ask. @xo.minnie.xox Without salvation, yes. Jesus is that salvation. God can't be in the presence of evil, so how can someone with evil in them enter the Kingdom?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

IM SAYING.... He didn't create it because fiery hell doesnt exist... its the grave/ death...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

... also the only reason we die now is because thats what comes with being imperfect... without jesus' ransom when we die we wouldnt have the hope of living forever

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Jehovah ( God) has chosen 144,000 imperfect humans to be his anointed to rule over the Earth with him in heaven, once Armageddon has passes and all the wickedness is gone he will make it into a paradise Earth for all of us who are not anointed, we will be perfect like his intention was for us in the 1st place. If we are perfect again there is no DOUBT he will do the same for those that are going to help him rule over the Earth.

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

@jojobuck I still don't understand this reasoning. Hell is mentioned multiple, multiple, multiple times as a literal place, most commonly referred to as the "lake of fire," and yet you are looking at the verses on death, and ignoring what the Bible says about Hell? The Bible talks abut Hell and physical death as two seperate things. @xo.minnie.xox I never quite agreed with that interpretation in the first place, in fact I can see some assumptions were made while interpreting the scripture you posted before. I do, of course, agree with the new Earth :P

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes as the grave not a fiery torment @TheRaggedyDoctor The second death Means youll no longer exist not put to torment forever..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yay you agree with the new Earth *claps* xD

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Why would the creator do that? Why would he let humans suffer fiery torment forever if he is the god of love?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

^^^ True

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

@jojobuck I literally just got done explaining this though :P and you didn't answer my question. @xo.minnie.xox Of course xD the Bible talks about the new Earth pretty clearly

OpenStudy (anonymous):

What was your question...

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

Why do you assume that the lake of fire and physical death are the same thing? The Bible talks about them as two separate things, and it talks about Hell as a literal place.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay... Ill say one at a time Lake of fire... Two scriptures found in Revelation bear on this: “Death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.” And Hades, the common grave of mankind with the hope of resurrection, is no more. Still, Jehovah can annihilate any rebel in the lake of fire, denying him any hope of a resurrection. That death would be like the death that Adam and Eve experienced, not the death that humans inherited from Adam. “I handed on to you . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; and that he was buried, yes, that he has been raised up the third day according to the Scriptures.” (1 Corinthians 15:3, 4) So Jesus was in hell, the grave, but he was not abandoned there, for he was raised up, or resurrected....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

They arent the same thing..... I wasnt trying to say that

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

I guess I really can't say anything further, because I see what we disagree on is the meaning of the "second death," which I believe is eternal separation from God. The reason I don't understand your point of view is because the Bible describes the lake of fire as eternal punishment, whereas you say that cannot be so, because of God's love for us. The only problem here is that you're saying the Bible is wrong...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No the bible isnt wrong...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thats what I off of

OpenStudy (anonymous):

go

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I meant

OpenStudy (anonymous):

: “Death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire.” (Revelation 20:14)

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

Jesus himself describes Hell as a literal place, though

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

The second death, is what we're disagreeing on

OpenStudy (anonymous):

says that the Devil will be cast into “the lake of fire” and “tormented day and night for ever and ever.” (King James Version) If the Devil were to be tortured for all eternity, God would have to preserve him alive, but the Bible says that Jesus will “destroy him.” (Hebrews 2:14, KJ) The symbolic fiery lake represents “the second death.”

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You might want to refresh the page...

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

The Bible says that Jesus will "destroy him," NOT "kill him." The fiery lake doesn't symbolize anything. When the Bible uses symbolism, it is very clear that it's symbolism. It says that the lake of fire IS the second death. There is not even a hint of symbolism here.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

destroy means to put an end to the existence of (something) by damaging or attacking it.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It is symbolic...This expression occurs only in the book of Revelation and is clearly symbolic. The Bible gives its own explanation and definition of the symbol by stating: “This means the second death, the lake of fire.”—Re 20:14; 21:8. The symbolic quality of the lake of fire is further evident from the context of references to it in the book of Revelation. Death is said to be hurled into this lake of fire. (Re 19:20; 20:14) Death obviously cannot be literally burned. Moreover, the Devil, an invisible spirit creature, is thrown into the lake. Being spirit, he cannot be hurt by literal fire.—Re 20:10; compare Ex 3:2 and Jg 13:20.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Since the lake of fire represents “the second death” and since Revelation 20:14 says that both “death and Hades” are to be cast into it, it is evident that the lake cannot represent the death man has inherited from Adam (Ro 5:12), nor does it refer to Hades (Sheol). It must, therefore, be symbolic of another kind of death, one that is without reversal, for the record nowhere speaks of the “lake” as giving up those in it, as do Adamic death and Hades (Sheol). (Re 20:13) Thus, those not found written in “the book of life,” unrepentant opposers of God’s sovereignty, are hurled into the lake of fire, meaning eternal destruction, or the second death.—Re 20:15.

OpenStudy (theraggedydoctor):

Nonono, if it's talking about PHYSICAL death, it could possibly be symbolic, but it's not. "Death obviously cannot be literally burned" This is looking at it from a human point of view, trying to understand it according to our own logic, but we're humans. We can't. We may want to sound smarter than God, but if God wants to burn death, he certainly can xD This second paragraph describes perfectly what I'm saying, to be honest. The lake does not represent physical death (the death man has inherited from Adam). It does indeed mean another kind of death, one without reversal. The last verse goes along with what I'm saying completely. Eternal destruction, the second death. Let's look at our views on this. You believe that the soul itself will die, and never be resurrected. I believe that the death of a soul IS Hell, as the Bible describes this type of death as separation from God. Either way, your soul's gone. There's no going back, no second chances in the end.

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