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OpenStudy (anonymous):

help putting equation into point slope formula

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i subtract the x and get -y^4=-x+1 but not sure what to do after this.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

except i suppose then i would divide by -1 and get y^4=x-1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how do i get the y on its own?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

hmm what are you supposed to do again?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im just trying to get it into point slope formula so i need the y to be on its own but im not sure how to get it away from the 4th... since it is y^4

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and then once i have the point slope formula i just put it in my graphing calculator to see if it passes the vertical line test.

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

graph the equation using something like this https://www.desmos.com/calculator and see if it passes the vertical line test

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ah i just did, it does not pass the vertical line test. i thought i needed to put it into point slope formula first.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so now how do i decide between A and C?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Would it be C? because that answer choice is saying that the input would repeat?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

point slope formula only applies to linear equations this isn't linear

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

well.. what's an OUTPUT and what's an INPUT?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

to figure out which one it is, look back at your notes as to what makes something a function it has to do with the inputs and outputs

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes well i know that input cannot repeat...correct?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

\(\large { x-y^4=1\implies x+1=y^4\qquad taking\quad \sqrt[4]{\qquad }\textit{ to both sides} \\ \quad \\ \pm \sqrt[4]{x+1}=\sqrt[4]{y^4}\implies \pm\sqrt[4]{x+1}=y }\)

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

check your INPUTS and see what OUTPUTS it gives

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

hmm actually.. I have to change a sign there

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

yeah if you had say x = 1 and you plugged it into this "function", you cannot have that input of x = 1 produce multiple outputs Rule: a function has EXACTLY ONE output for any given input

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

\(\large { x-y^4=1\implies x-1=y^4\qquad taking\quad \sqrt[4]{\qquad }\textit{ to both sides} \\ \quad \\ \pm \sqrt[4]{x-1}=\sqrt[4]{y^4}\implies \pm\sqrt[4]{x-1}=y }\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

hmm okay..so how do i test that out? how am i to check if it doesnt repeat?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

look at the graph and look at say, x = 2

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay and here is the graph just for easy to view purposes hah

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

drawing a vertical line through x = 2 means it goes through the points (2,1) and (2,-1) on the graph. So this fails the vertical line test It's not a function because the input x = 2 produces the two outputs: y = 1 and y = -1

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

if you were to plug x = 2 into the function, you should expect one output

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ah okay i see so the output is what is repeating technically

OpenStudy (anonymous):

looking at the option choices i still cant decide though...they sound so alike i cant quite tell what each of them mean

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@jdoe0001 do you think it is A or C?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

did you graph the equation?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes there is a picture of it above^

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im just having a hard time understanding the difference between each of the answer choices and why it would be either of those.

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

let see if we can reword it A) no, at least one "x value" results in more than one "y value" C) no, at least one "y value" results in more than one "x value" what do you think?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

maybe it will help if you cross out the "at least" from each answer choice

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I would think it was C then because the x values are repeating

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ah no wait! the y values are repeating? now that i look at the graph

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

A) one input results in more than one output C) one output results in more than one input

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

well.. if the "x values" are repeating that means that "more than one INPUT is resulting in the same OUTPUT"

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I am thinking the answer is A then

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

"I am thinking the answer is A then" \(\large \checkmark\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thank you both very much!

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

yw

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