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OpenStudy (anonymous):

ganeshie8

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Nnesha (nnesha):

this is how u should tag @UCLA104

Nnesha (nnesha):

first type this @<-- then user name @username so then they get notification like u just did @nnesha @UCLA104 <--like this :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@ganeshie8

Nnesha (nnesha):

^ :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ohhhhhhhhhh ok thank you I didnt know that

Nnesha (nnesha):

yeah np :) :) best of luck!!

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you're trying to test convergence ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes. Using the comparison test

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Would you agree that \(x^3 \gt x+x^2\) for all \(x \ge 2\) ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

that yields \[ \dfrac{1}{x^3} \lt \dfrac{1}{x+x^2}\] yes ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

does the 1/3 exponent not matter?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

we will see..

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

which is same as saying : \[\dfrac{1}{x+x^2}\gt \dfrac{1}{x^3}\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

take cube root both sides now

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

we get \[\dfrac{1}{(x+x^2)^{1/3}}\gt \dfrac{1}{x}\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

look up harmonic series and appeal to comparison test

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes. and because 1/x diverges then the original one diverges?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Thats it! http://gyazo.com/f0f4103a181b01e4cce91c086a168049

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok i guess what im confused on is how did you know to use x^3?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

thats a good question, yeah thats the only key part here. the reasoning might go something like this : In the bottom we have \( (x+x^2)^{1/3}\) which we know has degree \(2/3 \lt 1\). So by p-series test this has to diverge. however degree for a radical expression makes no sense, so we're not allowed to use p-series test here. Next best thing we can do is to compare it with a polynomial... thinking of anything other than x^3 is just ridankulous as the radical 1/3 is beggins us to use x^3 for comparison...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok. What I was taught is to find which part on the denominator is the dominating factor and to essentially pull it out when using the comparison test

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so for the next question, 74, we have 1/x(e^x + x)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

after you factor out an x of course

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and e^x + x is larger than x

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Hey, I remember doing this stuff, and just for reference, this might come in handy.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

that looks like a good start

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait give me a sec to send a picture of what i did

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

disregard the squared xe^x stuff

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

I think you're absolutely right if the lower bound of integral is \(1\) but the lower bound is \(0\) here and what do you know about the convergence of \(\int\limits_0^{\infty} \frac{dx}{x^2}\) ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

im desperately hoping that it was a typo lol, if it was really \(0\), then we need to do something else to show that it diverges...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

nah its zero lol

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

then we're screwed.. we need to start over :/

OpenStudy (anonymous):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

dos that mean the answer for the first question is wrong too because its also 0 to infinity

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

good question, for first problem, the logic is slightly off but it shouldnt matter because we have showed that\(\int_1^{\infty}\dfrac{dx}{(x+x^2)^(1/3)}\) diverges... so that also means \(\int_0^{\infty}\dfrac{dx}{(x+x^2)^(1/3)}\) diverges too so im hoping we are mostly good with first problem...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so does it really make a huge difference in the second problem that its 0 and not 1?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

would it help by splitting the integrals apart at all? by making 2 separate integrals from 0 to 1 and 1 to infinity?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It does diverge

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(\int\limits_{\color{REd}{0}}^{\infty} \dfrac{dx}{xe^x+x^2}\) diverges \(\int\limits_{\color{REd}{1}}^{\infty} \dfrac{dx}{xe^x+x^2}\) converges

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

the lower bound makes that much difference ^

OpenStudy (anonymous):

well damn

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so we gotta prove that it diverges

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and im really not sure how if what i did doesnt apply to the lower bound being zero :/

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Notice the integral is improper at both ends : 0 and infinity

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

thats exactly the reason why we need to work the lower bound separately

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so we split it into 2 integrals?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

thats a good idea

OpenStudy (anonymous):

then we could take the limit as R goes to zero from the right of the integral r to 1 of the function

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and then the other one would be limit as r goes to infinity of the integral 1 to r of the function

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\int\limits_0^{\infty} \dfrac{dx}{xe^x+x^2} = \int\limits_0^{a} \dfrac{dx}{xe^x+x^2} + \int\limits_a^{\infty} \dfrac{dx}{xe^x+x^2} \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How do you do that? like make it all nice and easy to read without having to type it....

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yes that will do

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but when its in two separate integrals, both of them have to converge or diverge right? because if one diverged when the other converged, it wouldnt work

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but that doesnt work because we know when its 1 to infinity it converges

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yeah I am stuck at the same point. Do we have anything like below : sum of a diverging series and an absolutely converging series is divergent ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

because the integrand is positive in the given bounds

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i found a link that says the sum of a convergent and divergent is divergent

OpenStudy (anonymous):

which makes sense because it is the same as a constant plus a divergent

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Nice :) then we're done

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

just show that \(\large \int\limits_0^a \dfrac{dx}{xe^x+x^2} \) diverges and \(\int\limits_a^{\infty} \dfrac{dx}{xe^x+x^2}\) converges

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how would i show that it diverges exactly?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

we can use the same comparison test

OpenStudy (anonymous):

exactly but would it converge using the same comparison test?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Im sorry, we just started doing this stuff and im not really sure about it

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

fix \(a = 1\), we show that \(\large \int\limits_0^a \dfrac{dx}{xe^x+x^2}\) is divergent : when \(x\in (0,1)\) we have \(\large e^x+x \lt 4 \implies x(e^x+x) \lt 4x \implies \dfrac{1}{x(e^x+x)} \gt \dfrac{1}{4x} \)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok thank you

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

did u get why that works

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yeah i understand why it works i just wouldnt have thought of it myself

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

it doesnt matter what number you use : when \(x\in (0,1)\) : \(e^x + x \lt 100\) also works but it is easy to see that \(e^x+x \lt 4\) if we recall \(e^1 \lt 3\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Thank you

OpenStudy (jack1):

poor @username @Nnesha i'm sure he gets tagged in all of these explanation posts... ;P

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