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OpenStudy (anonymous):

IF the series is convergent, find its sum

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry, i keep losing connection

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i cant seem to type the dam problem right! ugh

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}[(0.7)^{n-1}-(0.4)^n]\]

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

hmm that looks the same thing we just did we can rewrite like \[\sum (0.7)^{n-1}-\sum (0.4)^n=\sum (\frac{7}{10})^{n-1}-\sum (\frac{4}{10})^n\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i didnt even think about doing that with the decimals!

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

did you check the convergency

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

well you have to do all sort of things to bring to what you want

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no

OpenStudy (anonymous):

they are both less than 1 and more than -1. so it is convergent, right?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

what if it does not converge you will end up losing time for nothing

OpenStudy (anonymous):

im not sure how to process with the n-1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

proceed

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

seems so the limit is zero so the series converge

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

i would do \[(\frac{7}{10})^n\times \frac{10}{7}\]

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

10/7 is just constant you can throw it off the bank

OpenStudy (anonymous):

when you multiply a fraction by its opposite, it removes the -1 from n-1?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

well this is what i did \[(\frac{7}{10})^n (\frac{7}{10})^{-1}\]

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

and (7/10)^-1 is 10/7 as you know

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok, yes... so how does this affect how we add?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

we didn't have a way of doing n-1 but we have for n you just do we did before for each sum

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

7/10 is constant you can pull it of the first summation

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

10/7 not 7/10 sorry

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

r=7/10 and the second one r=4/10

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

i gotta go sleep working early lol :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is it \[\frac{ \frac{ 7 }{ 10 } }{ \frac{ 10 }{ 10 } -\frac{ 7 }{ 10 }} - \frac{ \frac{ 4 }{ 10 } }{ \frac{ 10 }{ 10}-\frac{ 4 }{ 10 }}\]?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

yeah but the first one don't forgot to multiply by 10/7

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

do you have the answer this time

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so, if i throw the multiplying 10/7 in... is it \[\frac{ 7 }{ 3 }(\frac{ 10 }{ 7 })- \frac{ 4 }{ 6 }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

almost lol

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

yeah that looks good

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

what is the given answer

OpenStudy (anonymous):

dont have one this time :(

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it is either your right or wrong

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

oh ok no problem

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

you should get 8/3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i got 8/3 yes, im gonna plug that in real quick

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yep! JEEZ, you're GOOD! Thanks AGAIN!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I do have another question real quick tho, if you dont mind

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sum+1+to+infty+%280.7%29%5E%28n-1%29 seeems 10/3 for first is good which is what we got so the second one as well should also be good

OpenStudy (anonymous):

earlier you said you confirmed the limit was zero and so it must be convergent. How do i do that with the n-1? that looks like infinity-1 to me

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

hmm good question well i did exatly what i explained to you i made it 10/7 times (7/10)^n and take the limit

OpenStudy (anonymous):

... guess i'm forgetting my rules... is it anything raised to infinity = zero ?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

10^n is going to infinity faster that 7^n so it must tend to zero

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ohh

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

oh no not anything of course

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i see how you were looking at that....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

because 1/infinity= zero

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

yeah it is a comparison of the two exponential functions

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and if the denom is going to infinity faster than numerator, it is a/infinity which= zero

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

well any k/oo=0 not just 1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh yes, thats why i used an a the 2nd time

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok, thnks AGAIN. Really appreciate the help

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

if you were to graph that you should have |dw:1424318312147:dw| something like that

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

so it is going to zero we proceed to oo

OpenStudy (anonymous):

very good

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

that an exponential function with base <1 and the graph has that shape

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ohh, I see... very good visual

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

yeah you need to thing about visual too when doing such things :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

what about something like \[\sqrt[n]{5}\] why is this divergent?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

do you mean \[\sum\sqrt[n]{5}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

n=1 to infty

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

hmm good question the limit is 1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

these are the things that stump me.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i need a "rules list" to study or something

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

it should be zero as much as i remember

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

well i don't really have a nice answer for now but guess it is about the nature of the radicals

OpenStudy (anonymous):

|dw:1424318720210:dw|

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thanks anyway :)

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

i will think about it and see :) good question i guess i will retire for today

OpenStudy (anonymous):

me too! have a good night

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

if i found anything interesting i will post it for you

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

good night

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thanks! night

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