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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Everyone of the statements is true for some (neither) S out of T,U,V, and W.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Let, T = {17} U = {6} V = {24} W = {2, 3, 7, 26} For every statement, indicate all sets out of T, U, V, and W such that the statement is true.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

a) \[\exists x \in S : (x\ is\ odd) \rightarrow \left( x >8 \right)\] b) \[\exists x \in S : (x\ is\ odd)\ \Lambda \left( x >8 \right)\] c) \[\forall x \in S , (x\ is\ odd) \rightarrow \left( x >8 \right)\] d) \[\forall x \in S : (x\ is\ odd)\ \Lambda \left( x >8 \right)\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

lets look at statement d)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Is there a set with ALL elements being odd and greater than 8 ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no, so the answer is the empty set?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

try again

OpenStudy (anonymous):

there is a set with all elements being odd and greater than 8? haha

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

which one ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

T!

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yep!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so i feel like T is our answer to a, b, and d

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

lets look at statement c)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok c...for all x in S, if x is odd then x > 8

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yes, which set(s) satsfies that ?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

T

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

actually there are 3 sets that satisfy

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok, so T, V, W? but why they are not odd? is it because of the implication truth table (p -> q) <=> (F -> T) => T?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

uhg im so confused

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

W doesn't satisfy statement c) because it has an odd numbers 3,7 which are not greater than 8

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i think i just figured it out

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok, let me try the whole thing.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

T = {17} U = {6} V = {24} satisfy statemetn c) because the odd numbers in these sets are greater than 8

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

okay :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

*crosses fingers*

OpenStudy (anonymous):

a) T U V b) T, W c) T U V d) T

OpenStudy (anonymous):

lol

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

b) is wrong

OpenStudy (anonymous):

why?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

there exists no odd number greater than 8 in W

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

try again

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but there is an odd number and a number greater than 8

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

the same number has to be greater than 8

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i guess if w is out, then just T!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

i see, ok then

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

it is "x odd" and "x > 8" and not this : "x odd" and "y > 8"

OpenStudy (anonymous):

true.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

in this problem it doesnt seem very clear the difference in "for all" and "there exists"

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yeah i see.. so what do you have for final answer ? :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so the answer is a. TUV b. T c.TUV d.T

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the website is really bogged down right now >.>

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

that looks good to me!

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