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OpenStudy (anonymous):

convergence of series

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm stuck on a certain part

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n} \frac{ 2^{n} n! }{ n^{n} }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I used the ratio test and simplified it down to \[\frac{ 2(n+1) }{ (n+1) }*\frac{ n^{n} }{ (n+1)^{n} }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I know the first part cancels two and the second part the bottom is e. Is there anything I can do with the top or is it just infinity?

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[2 \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}(\frac{1}{x+1})^x =2 \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}(\frac{1}{x})^x=2 \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}x^{-x}\] can you find that last limit?

OpenStudy (freckles):

actually you could leave it as 1/x^x 1/infty =0

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

ratio test

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

oh, you used it already, :D

OpenStudy (anonymous):

how did you get 1/x+1? isn't it x/x+1?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@freckles

OpenStudy (freckles):

oops that was suppose to be an x

OpenStudy (freckles):

i forgot about him

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is it the same limit then? just a typo?

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}(\frac{x}{x+1})^x=\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}(\frac{x+1-1}{x+1})^x=\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} (1-\frac{1}{x+1})^x\] see if you can take it from here :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

would it be -e then?

OpenStudy (freckles):

you mean e^(-1) ?

OpenStudy (freckles):

and don't forget to multiply your result by that 2 we had

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no I do not. How would I be able to tell what e it is?

OpenStudy (freckles):

if you don't know you can always put it in the form of l'hospital you know write it as e^ln( )

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

since in ratio test we are taking limit of the absolute value don't worry about (-1)^n part. (this is simplified from the first set up) \(\large\color{slate}{\displaystyle\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty}\frac{2^{n+1}(n+1)!}{(n+1)^{n+1}}\times \frac{(n)^{n}}{2^{n}(n)!}}\) \(\large\color{slate}{\displaystyle\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty}\frac{n^n2(n+1)}{(n+1)^{n+1}}}\) \(\large\color{slate}{\displaystyle\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty}\frac{2n^n}{(n+1)^{n}}}\) \(\large\color{slate}{\displaystyle\lim_{n \rightarrow ~\infty}\frac{2n^n}{(n+1)^{n}}}\) = 2/e

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

that is less than 1 and thus convergetnt

OpenStudy (solomonzelman):

btw, love the way I am able to connect to the site... sorry it took so much time

OpenStudy (freckles):

@recon14193 have you tried that l'hospital?

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[(\frac{x}{x+1})^x=e^{ x \ln(\frac{x}{x+1})} \\ \text{ so \let's figure out the exponent part as x goes \to infinity } \\ e^{\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty}\frac{\ln(\frac{x}{x+1})}{\frac{1}{x}}}\] you have the exponent is 0/0 so you can apply l'hosptial there

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oh ok so that's how it is e^-1

OpenStudy (freckles):

well yeah because eventually we can show that exponent goes to -1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

alright can I ask 1 more

OpenStudy (freckles):

by the e^(-1) is the same as 1/e

OpenStudy (freckles):

so you would end up with either 2*e^(-1) or 2/e as solomon said

OpenStudy (freckles):

what is the question

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I just need help on which method to use

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\sum \frac{ 10^{n} }{ (n+1)*4^{2n+1} }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I did ratio test and got 0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so I am not sure where to go from here

OpenStudy (freckles):

one sec I will try ratio test and see if I get that too

OpenStudy (freckles):

by the way L<1 which means it is convergent if that really is what you got

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I was told that also but if L=0 it means that were not sure what it is

OpenStudy (freckles):

no it is L=1

OpenStudy (freckles):

but anyways I don't get L=0

OpenStudy (freckles):

http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcII/RatioTest.aspx see here if you don't believe me

OpenStudy (anonymous):

thank you I see my mistake

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[\frac{10^{n+1}}{(n+2)4^{2(n+1)+1}} \cdot \frac{(n+1)4^{2n+1}}{10^n} \\ =\frac{10^n 10}{10^n} \cdot \frac{(n+1)4^{2n}4}{(n+2)4^{2n+2}4} \\ =\frac{10^n10}{10^n} \frac{(n+1)4^{2n}4}{(n+2)4^{2n}4^24}\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

you can do a lot of cancellation here

OpenStudy (freckles):

oh wow lol I didn't notice the first example on that paul's note was almost this one (basically is)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it's the same just no negative

OpenStudy (freckles):

write but the absolute values take care of the negative part )

OpenStudy (anonymous):

one more?

OpenStudy (freckles):

ok

OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\sum (-1)^{n} \frac{ 2n }{ n+4 }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

my book syas it is convergent but I don't see it because based on the alternative series test b_n the limit does not equal zero and it is increasing

OpenStudy (freckles):

hey question what is the number it starts at?

OpenStudy (freckles):

like does it start at n=0 or 1? or something else?

OpenStudy (freckles):

reason I'm asking is because I want to try integral test for the bn part

OpenStudy (anonymous):

n=1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the first term is -2/5

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[\int\limits_{\infty}^{1}\frac{2x}{x+4} dx \\ \text{ \let } u=x+4 \\ du=dx \\ \text{ so if } u=x+4 \text{ then } u-4=x\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

lol 1 to infinity

OpenStudy (freckles):

I get the same as you that it diverges

OpenStudy (freckles):

it looks like wolfram agrees with us too http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sum%28%28-1%29%5En*2n%2F%28n%2B4%29%2Cn%3D1..infty%29

OpenStudy (anonymous):

sorry it's suppose to be \[\sum_{1}^{\infty} (-1)^{n-1} \frac{ 2n }{ n+4 }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

it is suppose to come from the series -2/5+4/6-6/7+8/8-10/9+...

OpenStudy (freckles):

your first sum is right then

OpenStudy (freckles):

but either way b_n diverges

OpenStudy (freckles):

by integral test

OpenStudy (freckles):

well that the series of b_n

OpenStudy (anonymous):

alright Ill ask my teacher then the book might just be wrong. I thank you for your help

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[\sum_{i=1}^{\infty}b_n \text{ diverges by integral test }\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

np

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