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OpenStudy (el_arrow):

does the series diverge or converge?

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

\[\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} \frac{ 1 }{ \ln n ^{\ln n} }\]

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

@rational could you help me with this one?

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

could comparison work for this one?

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

could you show me how to do it?

OpenStudy (perl):

i would bring down the ln exponent

OpenStudy (perl):

This might help. $$ \Large {\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} \frac{ 1 }{ \ln n ^{\ln n} } \\=\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} \frac{ 1 }{ \ln n \cdot \ln n } } $$

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

so you multiply the two?

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

\[\frac{ 1 }{ \ln n^2 }\]

OpenStudy (perl):

thats incorrect

OpenStudy (perl):

$$ \Large {\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} \frac{ 1 }{ \ln n ^{\ln n} } \\=\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} \frac{ 1 }{ \ln n \cdot \ln n } \\=\sum_{n=2}^{\infty} \frac{ 1 }{ (\ln n )^2} } $$

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

and then compared that to 1/n?

OpenStudy (perl):

we can use this argument $$ \Large \rm { n \geq ln(n) , for ~n \geq 2 \\ \therefore \\ \frac 1n \leq \frac{1}{ln(n)} }$$

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

what about the exponent

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

you forgot to put it there

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

\[\frac{ 1 }{ n }\le \frac{ 1 }{ (\ln n)^2 }\]

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

so the series diverges?

OpenStudy (perl):

i didnt have a square in my expression

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

you had it when you multiplied both ln n's

OpenStudy (perl):

the series 1/ ln(n) diverges for that reason. but we dont know about 1 / (ln(n))^2

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

so what do we do?

OpenStudy (perl):

$$ \Large \rm { n \geq ln(n) , for ~n \geq 2 \\ \therefore \\ \frac 1n \leq \frac{1}{ln(n)} \leq \frac{1}{(\ln n )^2} } $$

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

okay

OpenStudy (perl):

actually this is only true for n > 2 , for n >= 3

OpenStudy (perl):

$$ \Large \rm { n \geq \ln (n) \geq (\ln n) ^2 , ~for~ n ~\geq 3 } $$

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

yeah that statement is true

OpenStudy (perl):

now when we invert (reciprocal), the signs of the inequality is reversed. example : 2 < 4 1/2 > 1/4

OpenStudy (perl):

as long as you are positive (thats the only condition)

OpenStudy (perl):

if x > y then 1/ x < 1/y for x , y positive

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

true

OpenStudy (perl):

$$ \Large \rm { n \geq \ln (n) \geq (\ln n) ^2 , ~for~ n ~\geq 3 \\~\\ \therefore \\ ~\\ \\\frac{1} {n} \leq \frac{1}{\ln(n)} \leq \frac{1} {(\ln n) ^2} } $$

OpenStudy (perl):

you can show that it is true (ln n ) ^2 > Ln (n) , for n > = 3 look at the graph f(x) = ln(x)^2 - ln(x) note how it dips below the x axis at first https://www.desmos.com/calculator/pir1s5tzyn

OpenStudy (perl):

thats not a proof, but it suggests it is true

OpenStudy (perl):

you can take the derivative of that and show it is positive for x greater than some number between 2 and 3

OpenStudy (perl):

$$ \Large \rm { n \geq \ln (n) \geq (\ln n) ^2 , ~for~ n ~\geq 3 \\~\\ \therefore \\ ~\\ \\\frac{1} {n} \leq \frac{1}{\ln(n)} \leq \frac{1} {(\ln n) ^2} \\~\\ \therefore \\ ~\\ \\ \sum_{n=3}^{\infty } \frac{1} {n} \leq \sum_{n=3}^{\infty } \frac{1}{\ln(n)} \leq \sum_{n=3}^{\infty } \frac{1} {(\ln n) ^2} } $$

OpenStudy (perl):

and you are off by one term, you can just add them through

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

but the series is n = 2 not 3 why you change it?

OpenStudy (perl):

the inequality is not true for n = 2

OpenStudy (perl):

its not true for n = 2

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