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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Proof question. Help please!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Suppose \[P \rightarrow Q, R \rightarrow \not Q \]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Prove then \[P \rightarrow \not R \]

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

prove if P then not R... what are we doing? Are we using truth tables? boolean algebra

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no truth tables

OpenStudy (anonymous):

boolean algebra

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

so boolean algebra? that's going to be tought because I learned it the =truth table way omg... sorry man

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

but I do know that you can use truth tables to verify an answer. so that's a good check.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I just don't get what to do with if then statements: do I change the form or is it already in logical form?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

is there another way to write if then statements

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

You either have to really prove that the statement is true, or you have to disprove it meaning prove the negation of it which is just if not p then r.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

err Q ---> not R

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

why would you want to do that... you can't change theorems.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well because we would assume P and therefore Q which means Q ---> not R which is what I want

OpenStudy (anonymous):

because if p implies Q and Q implies not R, then P implies not R, right?

OpenStudy (usukidoll):

now I'm lost D:. I'm sorry I'm a newb at proofs unless it's number theory.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay well thanks anyway

OpenStudy (anonymous):

assume P -> R then P -> not Q but contradiction hence assumption must be false, not (P -> R) must be true hence (P -> not R) is true

OpenStudy (anonymous):

your way of doing it is also correct and more rigorous: (R -> not Q) = (Q -> not R) hence, P ->Q leads to P -> not R

OpenStudy (anonymous):

basically, (if A then B), is equivalent as (if not B then not A)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

okay, I just wasn't sure if I could do that. I'm not sure if I can apply a negation to an if then

OpenStudy (anonymous):

u can always do that

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and what happens if I do

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so does the conditional flip with a negation?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes exactly

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh okay, so what is the name of that function

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I have to list all of my steps

OpenStudy (anonymous):

(R -> not Q) is equivalent as (Q -> not R) hence, P -> R leads to P -> Q

OpenStudy (anonymous):

this is as rigorous as it gets

OpenStudy (anonymous):

but aren't we assuming the negation function is true without stating it?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well thanks for the help PHP

OpenStudy (anonymous):

np

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