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OpenStudy (mathmath333):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

are you asking who has a question

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

no he is gonna post lol

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

she is* my bad

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

\(\large \color{black}{\begin{align} & \normalsize \text{Let }\ a\in \mathbb{R} \ \normalsize \text{and let }\ f: \mathbb{R}\rightarrow \mathbb{R} \normalsize \text{be given by } \hspace{.33em}\\~\\ & f(x)=x^5-5x+a \hspace{.33em}\\~\\ & \normalsize \text{then } \hspace{.33em}\\~\\ & A.) \quad f(x)\ \normalsize \text{has three real roots if }\ a>4 \hspace{.33em}\\~\\ & B.) \quad f(x)\ \normalsize\text{has only one real roots if }\ a>4 \hspace{.33em}\\~\\ & C.) \quad f(x)\ \normalsize\text{has only three real roots if }\ a<-4 \hspace{.33em}\\~\\ & D.) \quad f(x)\ \normalsize\text{has only three real roots if }\ -4<a<4 \hspace{.33em}\\~\\ \end{align}}\)

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

hmm what did you try?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

This info might be useful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quintic_function#Quintics_in_Bring.E2.80.93Jerrard_form

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

putting a=5

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

honestly this question is beyond my IQ

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

why a=5 you are trying to find the constraints for a

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

for first 2 options it says to check roots for a>4

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

oh i see your line of thinking

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

answer given is both option (B.) and (D.)

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

hmm not sure if this might help suppose that has 3 distinct real roots therefore \[f(x)=x^5-5x+a=(x-l)(x-h)(x-r)(Ax^2+Bx+C)\] where Ax^2+Bx+C has no real roots

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

and how do i factor that

OpenStudy (p0sitr0n):

Long divide by a factor (x-root)

OpenStudy (p0sitr0n):

via the Fund. thm of algebra

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

i don't even know what thm is but i think this needs some algebra thm application

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

i just need a value for \(a\) so that the expression is factorrable

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

for all constraints of \(a\) as given in options

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

you mean you want to go trial and error ?

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

yes

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

if it is the shortest soln

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

this is doable by calculus if we look for f" but you didn't take that yet

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

@freckles any bright ideas

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

let's google haha

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

haha lol

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

can we use descartus rule of signs here

OpenStudy (freckles):

Hey @mathmath333 you can't do derivatives right?

OpenStudy (freckles):

or calculus stuff?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

i believe that rule won't help here

OpenStudy (freckles):

not yet at least

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

well i cannt but if u can use simple calculus then i can understand

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

example sith and giggles used calculus here ,that level i can understand http://openstudy.com/users/mathmath333#/updates/55818ea7e4b0636b8cc4098d

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

from here this confirms what you said B and D

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/dsmahabxqt

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[f(x)=x^5-5x+a \\ f'(x)=5x^4-5 \\ f'(x)=0 \text{ when } 5x^4-5=0 \\ 5x^4-5=0 \\ 5(x^4-1)=0 \\ (x^2-1)(x^2+1)=0 \\ x^2-1=0 \\ x=\pm 1 \\ f(1)=1-5+a \text{ and } f(-1)=-1+5+a \\ f(1)=a-4 \text{ and } f(-1)=a+4 \] I think we should play with the signs of f(-1) and f(1)

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

why did u took first derivative and equated it to zero

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

that's to find maxima and minima

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

y we need maxima and minima

OpenStudy (freckles):

at first I was looking at cases for the above and deleted all of that because it was totally unnecessary after playing with the cases and a little calculus on the cases to get a better sense of the graph) and where the function is increasing or decreasing if at all \[f'(x)=5x^4-5=5(x^4-1)=5(x^2-1)(x^2+1) \\ 5(x^2-1)(x^2+1)>0 \\ x^2-1>0 \\ x^2>1 \text{ so increasing on } x \in (-\infty,1) \cup (1,\infty)\] \[\text{ so decreasing on } x \in (-1,1)\] anyways if both f(1) and f(-1) are positive then your graph looks like this: |dw:1434569492292:dw| and if we have both f(1) and f(-1) are negative then your graph looks like: |dw:1434569524643:dw| now if f(1) is negative and f(-1) is positive your graph looks like this: |dw:1434569608801:dw|

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