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OpenStudy (el_arrow):

test the series for convergence or divergence

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

\[\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} 1/(6n+1)\]

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

i used the comparison test but im not sure if its right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

eyeball test the degree of the denominator is ?

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

and the numerator?

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

it doesnt have one

OpenStudy (anonymous):

of course it has one

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

is it 1

OpenStudy (anonymous):

no

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

0

OpenStudy (anonymous):

less

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right

OpenStudy (anonymous):

now we compare degrees \[1-0=1\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

since the difference is one, the sum does NOT converge in order for a rational function to converge, the degree of the denominator has to be larger than the degree of the numerator by MORE than one anything more than one will do but one does not work

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

so we dont use any tests for this one

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you can use a test if you like you could use the limit comparison test for example compare to \(\sum\frac{1}{n}\) which is known to diverge

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

but doesnt it converge when an is less than bn when using the limit comparison test

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you cannot use the direct comparison test however since \[\frac{1}{6n+1}<\frac{1}{n}\] but the limit comparison test will work in general however what i said above is true

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yes, it does NOT converge again, you can see it with your eyeballs

OpenStudy (anonymous):

degree of the denominator has to be MORE than one larger then the degree of the numerator \[\sum\frac{1}{n}\] does not converge, neither does \[\sum\frac{a}{bx+c}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

oops i mean neither does \[\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}\frac{a}{bn+c}\]

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

so when i used the limit comparison test i got 1/6

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you can also use the integral test for this if you like you will get a log, and the log does not have a limit as \(n\to \infty\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

right and you compared it to a series that does NOT converge right?

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

yes 1/n

OpenStudy (anonymous):

ok then since the limit is a finite non zero number, your series does not converge either

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

alright and the same thing goes for direct comparison test right

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

when its a finite non zero number it does not converge?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

direct comparison you just compare if the terms are greater than a series that does not converge, NO if the terms are less than a series that does converge, YES but you can't really use it here

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

alright thanks

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yw

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

oh one more question when does the integral test diverge or converge

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

@satellite73 @freckles

OpenStudy (anonymous):

if the integral diverges, then so does the series and if the integral converges so does the series

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

but like does it diverge when its a finite non zero number or?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

for example you have \[\sum\frac{1}{6n+1}\] so \[a_n=\frac{1}{6n+1}\] put \[f(x)=\frac{1}{6x+1}\] and compute \[\int_1^{\infty}\frac{1}{6x+1}=\lim_{t\to \infty}\frac{1}{6}\log(6t+1)\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

the integral diverges, so does the sum

OpenStudy (anonymous):

or perhaps i should say "the integral is infinite (does not exist) therefore neither does the sum"

OpenStudy (anonymous):

to answer you question, NO if the integral is finite, then it exists (is a number) therefore the corresponding sum will be finite (not the same number as the integral, just finite)

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

okay thanks

OpenStudy (anonymous):

yw

OpenStudy (anonymous):

you can still use a direct comparison: $$\sum_{n=1}^\infty \frac1{6n+1}=\sum_{n=2}^\infty\frac1{6(n-1)+1}=\sum_{n=2}^\infty\frac1{6n-5}$$now consider \(6n-5\le 6n\implies\frac1{6n-5}\ge\frac1{6n}\) and we know \(\sum_{n=2}^\infty\frac1{6n}=\frac16\sum_{n=1}^\infty\frac1n-\frac16\); clearly this diverges so it follows \(\sum_{n=2}^\infty\frac1{6n-5}\) diverges too

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

@oldrin.bataku what about for this one \[\sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{ n^6+1 }{ n^7+1 }\]

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

can you use a comparison test like 1/n?

OpenStudy (el_arrow):

or the divergence test maybe?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

$$\frac{n^6+1}{n^7+1}=\frac{1+1/n^6}{n+1/n^6}$$ consider that for \(n\ge1\) we have \(n+1\ge n+1/n^6\implies \frac1{n+1}\le\frac1{n+1/n^6}\le\frac{1+1/n^6}{n+1/n^6}\); since we know \(\frac1{n+1}\) diverges by an argument like the previous it follows that this series diverges too

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