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imqwerty (imqwerty):

emergency!!!

imqwerty (imqwerty):

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

which q

Parth (parthkohli):

Last one x = y = z = 4

imqwerty (imqwerty):

any question that u like...these r the question which i wsn't able to solve

OpenStudy (empty):

First one probably some fermat's little theorem nonsense, the second one looks like part of the Riemann zeta function so you could probably just multiply two geometric series or something together for it, and 3rd one looks like it's probably a telescoping series, just my first guesses

imqwerty (imqwerty):

@ParthKohli how did u get x=y=z=4

Parth (parthkohli):

It's a symmetric situation. Apply all inequalities you please, but you'll finally get to this.

OpenStudy (empty):

Simplest way to think of it (not a proof) is that \[n^2 > (n-a)(n+a)\] when a is not equal to zero, so that's the max when they're all the same.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

first q doesnt look easy

OpenStudy (empty):

I think we can split that 3rd one up using partial fractions, then it becomes a telescoping series that way.

OpenStudy (empty):

Good questions by the way!

imqwerty (imqwerty):

thanks @Empty @ParthKohli i can't get to the result x=y=z. can u tell how to start ..

Parth (parthkohli):

I've only given a qualitative argument here so far - the whole situation you have here is symmetric in nature. x can be interchanged with y, y with z or z with x, and the situation won't change. So if the triplet \((a, b , c)\) gives you a maximum value then so should \((b, a, c)\) or \((b, c, a)\) or \((c, a, b)\), which means that \(x = y = z \) when the given expression is maximum. Let me think of an inequality that can be applied here. You'll see that we'll find the maximum when the equality of two expressions is considered, which is almost always when all variables are equal.

OpenStudy (empty):

Ok so for the second one I'm getting: $$\frac{1}{1-9}\frac{1}{1-4}\frac{5}{6}$$ Does that match your answer?

imqwerty (imqwerty):

wait m doing the 1st one

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

for first one you may want to try factoring it http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=factor+5%5E5%5E%28n%2B1%29%2B5%5E5%5En%2B1

OpenStudy (empty):

Yeah I think it is more clear how to solve the first one if you do that, here to make factoring easier substitute: $$5^{5^n}=a$$ then you end up with the expression: $$a^5+a+1$$ which somehow wolfram is able to factor out into: $$(a^2+a+1)(a^3-a^2+1)$$

imqwerty (imqwerty):

@ParthKohli if we are given a question like - x+y=4 and x belongs to positive integers. and we are supposed to find out maximum of xy + x/y +y/x then by symmetric approach x=y=2 but in this question x=3 and y=1 gives the maximum so the symmetric approach is violated.

imqwerty (imqwerty):

@Empty we can't write 5^5^(n+1) as a^5 if a=5^5^n

Parth (parthkohli):

OK, I didn't say that x = y gives you the maximum. I said it gives you the maximum if it exists. Here, x = y is most probably giving you the minimum.

imqwerty (imqwerty):

yes so how do we know that in which case x=y gives the max

OpenStudy (empty):

$$5^{5^{n+1}}=5^{5*5^n} = (5^{5^n})^5$$ @imqwerty

Parth (parthkohli):

You have to check if x = y is giving you the maximum/minimum by entering another pair of values. If that pair gives you a higher value, then x = y gives you the minimum.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

i feel #1 is still a stupid q, you're not gona learn anything frm it

imqwerty (imqwerty):

wait sry yes we can put a^5...

imqwerty (imqwerty):

yes it is @ganeshie8 :D

Parth (parthkohli):

Y'know, qwerty, it's just like that with single variable functions. You can differentiate a function and equate it to zero, but you still have to check if that gives you the maxima or minima by other methods.

OpenStudy (empty):

Ok so I also found a good way of solving the second one: We only want odd total powers, so the way we can do that is only combine even powers with odd and odd with evens. So in order to do that, we multiply the geometric series' together: $$\left(\sum_{i=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2^{2i}} \right) \left(\sum_{j=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{3^{2j+1}} \right) +\left(\sum_{i=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{3^{2i}} \right) \left(\sum_{j=0}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2^{2j+1}} \right) $$ factor out a 1/3 and 1/2 so you get only geometric series in terms of 1/4 and 1/9, and you're done!

Parth (parthkohli):

Isn't that the standard way to do it though? How did you originally do it?

OpenStudy (empty):

I factored it

imqwerty (imqwerty):

the 1st one is solved thanks guys :)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\begin{align} x^5 + x + 1 & = (x^5-x^2)+(x^2+x+1)\\ \\ & = x^2(x^3 - 1) + (x^2 + x + 1) \\ \\ & = x^2(x-1)\color{blue}{\bf (x^2 + x + 1)} + \color{blue}{\bf (x^2 + x + 1)}\end{align}\] http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/477295/factor-x5-x-1

Parth (parthkohli):

To be fair, that solution was most likely obtained by working backwards. :P

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

that is okay for a proof

Parth (parthkohli):

Yes of course, but you can't really think of that on your own.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

that all goes as "scratch work" :P

OpenStudy (empty):

ahhh thanks @ganeshie8 that's a clever trick I think I can even remember that as adding fancy form of zero and then abusing the geometric series yet again lol

Parth (parthkohli):

I'm ashamed that I have no other ideas other than telescoping for #3.

OpenStudy (empty):

It wants to telescope, why force it to be anything it's probably not? :P

OpenStudy (empty):

When you separate it out, the coefficients are both 1, it's truly a beautiful result

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

I'm either dumb or too much drunk to notice it but why do you think telescoping is a bad idea ?

OpenStudy (empty):

Yeah you're not drunk enough ganeshie, cause this baby wants to see the moon

Parth (parthkohli):

I didn't say telescoping is a bad idea. I just said that this series doesn't seem to be telescoping nicely and I have no other ideas.

imqwerty (imqwerty):

m really confused nd annoyed nd kinda drunk ..cheers @ganeshie8 @Empty ..can u please tell me what u did with the 2nd question

imqwerty (imqwerty):

my mind is jst nt wrkin normal today :(

Parth (parthkohli):

OK, it's actually telescoping really nicely.

OpenStudy (empty):

Here I made it smaller, part of the total sum, just write out all these terms (it's not tooo many, and it's good for you) \[\left(\sum_{i=0}^{3} \frac{1}{2^{2i}} \right) \left(\sum_{j=0}^{3} \frac{1}{3^{2j+1}} \right) +\left(\sum_{i=0}^{3} \frac{1}{3^{2i}} \right) \left(\sum_{j=0}^{3} \frac{1}{2^{2j+1}} \right) \]

imqwerty (imqwerty):

no i mean hw did u split that

OpenStudy (empty):

No, I _created_ this

OpenStudy (empty):

so by multiplying it out you can kinda see how I came up with this too... I'll draw a picture of how I think about it

Parth (parthkohli):

\[\frac{6^k}{(3^k - 2^k)(3^{k+1 } - 2^{k+1})}\]\[= \frac{3^{k+1}}{2^{k+1} - 3^{k+1}} - \frac{3^k}{3^k - 2^k}\]

Parth (parthkohli):

There's a typo.

OpenStudy (empty):

|dw:1438453754914:dw| So this is the first half of the terms! @imqwerty

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