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OpenStudy (anonymous):

A car of mass 1.5 x 103 kg is hoisted on the large cylinder of a hydraulic press. The area of the large piston is 0.20 m2, and the area of the small piston is 0.015 m2. a.Calculate the magnitude of the force of the small piston needed to raise the car with slow speed on the large piston. b.Calculate the pressure, in pascals and kilopascals, in this hydraulic press.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@Michele_Laino

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Hey there how are you?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I hope all is well with you;)

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

yes! I'm fine! thanks! :)

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

here you have to keep in mind the principle of Pascal, namely the pressure of the fluid is the same on both pistons

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Where water is used as multiplier of force in call cases.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Since for question a I know the area of small piston

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I guess all I need is divide the mass to be lifted by the area of the piston?

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

more precisely are used special oils, instead of water. the pressure exerted by the fluid on larger piston is: \[\Large p = \frac{{Mg}}{S} = \frac{{1500 \cdot 9.81}}{{0.2}} = ...Pascals\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Right... I needed to calculate the normal force acting on the object divided by the area of the piston.

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

that's right!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

According to my calculator the pascals required on the piston is 73500 pascals

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So that's considering if we only use the large piston right?

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

I got p = 73.6 kPa approximately

OpenStudy (anonymous):

On the other hand if I use the smaller piston the answer would be slightly greater I think

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I got p=981000 on my side for the smaller piston.

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

no, the pressure is the same through all the fluid. The force which is acting on the smaller piston, is perpendicular with respect to that piston, and its magnitude is: \[\Large F = p \times s = 73575 \cdot 0.015 = ...Newtons\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh ok.. but why are we only using the pressure applied to the large piston? Is it because of the structure of hydraulic press?

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

no, we are using the pression of the fluid which is transmitted by the fluid itself, namely your hydraulic press can be represented as below: |dw:1439828282269:dw|

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

what changes are the magnitude of the forces applied to both pistons

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

magnitudes*

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So basically a force is applied to one end and that results in other end

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

yes! we apply a little force and the hydraulic press multiply this little force

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

multiplies*

OpenStudy (anonymous):

73575 Pa on the large piston.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I understand until that point

OpenStudy (anonymous):

But then, isn't it like by 0.2/0.015 that the pressure is multiplied?

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

that pressure is acting inside all the fluid, so the pressure of 73575 is acting on both pistons

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

the pressure is the same!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Are you saying that fluid supplied from the inside the hydraulic press?

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

in your exercise, we apply a force whose magnitude is 1,104 Newtons, and we can rise a car whose weight is: 14,715 Newtons

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

yes! the fluid is working inside the hydraulic press

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The force the small piston needs to lift the car right? so I need to apply force on the small piston to lift the car to the larger piston and force multiplies

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

correct! we can see a hydraulic press as a multiplier of force

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So it's correct to say 73575 Pa* 0.015= pressure require to lift the car? The only thing I don't understand is why we multiply by 0.015 for a pressure calculated using 0.2. Isn't it like we have to multiply by 0.015/0.2 ?

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

pressure is 73575 Pa, and 73575*0.015 is a force

OpenStudy (anonymous):

likewise 73575 Pa*0.2 is the force I need to apply to larger piston to do the same trick?

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

better is: 73575*0.2 is the force which is acting on the larger piston

OpenStudy (anonymous):

wait a moment it's taking long so

OpenStudy (anonymous):

that's my thanks for being patient with me XD

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

thanks! :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I am trying my best to understand

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

ok! :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

You previously calculated the pressure applied to the large piston using the formula Mg/s=pascals. What if you used 0.015 instead of the 0.2? The overall pressure in the hydraulic press would then increase no?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

According to your reasoning that pressure is the same across all points in a hydraulic press, then the pressure calculated using 0.015 instead of 0.2 would be greater...

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

I have used 0.2 since 0.2 is the area of the piston on which the weight of the car is acting on

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

I can not use 0.015, since it will be an error

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

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