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OpenStudy (mathmath333):

Probablity question

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

\(\large \color{black}{\begin{align} & \normalsize \text{Three different numbers are selected from the set}\ X=\{1,2,3,4...10\}\hspace{.33em}\\~\\ & \normalsize \text{What is the probablity that the product of the two numbers is equal to }\hspace{.33em}\\~\\ & \normalsize \text{the third }\hspace{.33em}\\~\\ \end{align}}\)

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

\(\large \color{black}{\begin{align} & a.)\ \dfrac{3}{10}\hspace{.33em}\\~\\ & b.)\ \dfrac{1}{40}\hspace{.33em}\\~\\ & c.)\ \dfrac{1}{20}\hspace{.33em}\\~\\ & d.)\ \dfrac{4}{5}\hspace{.33em}\\~\\ \end{align}}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

say the \(3\) numbers selected are \(\{a,b,c\}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

also suppose that \(a\lt b\lt c\)

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

ok

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

then you want \(a*b\le 10\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

notice that if \(a*b\le 10\), then \(a \le \sqrt{~10~}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

so \(a\) can only be either \(2\) or \(3\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

when \(a=2\), check what all \(b\) values will work

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

how does the condition \(a=\sqrt{10}\) came.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

good question, that is called seive of eratosthenes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sieve_of_Eratosthenes

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

ok

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

we have \(ab\le 10\) and you know that \(a\lt b\) whats the maximum value that \(a\) can take ?

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

2

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

why not 3 ?

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

cuz \(3\times 4=12\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Perfect! so the only value that \(a\) can take is \(2\)

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

why not \(1\) ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you tell me why

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

\(1*2\le 10\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

remember you want to pick all 3 "different" numbers

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

what happens if any one number is \(1\) ?

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

it satisfies the condition example \(1,2,3\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

it doesn't, 1*2 is not 3

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

the smaller two numbers must multiply to the third number

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

oh i see, sry

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

yea , only \(2\) for \(a\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yes let \(a=2\) and find all \(b\) such that \(a*b\le 10\)

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

\(b=3,4,5\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yes, so the numbers in favor are : (2, 3, 6) (2, 4, 8) (2, 5, 10)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

thats 3 in favor

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

save that

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

next, find how many total ways are there to choose 3 different numbers from the given 10 numbers

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

Is their any condition to choose 3 different numbers from the given 10 numbers.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

thats the sample space so no conditions, just find the total number of ways of choosing 3 numbers from 10

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

\(\dfrac{10!}{7!}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

nope

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

its just \(\large \dbinom{10}{3}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

notice that here order doesn't matter... so it is a combination

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

why not \(^{10}P_{3}\) ??

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

ok

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

favor : \(\large 3\) total : \(\large \dbinom{10}{3}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

take the ratio for the probability

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

so answer=\(\dfrac{1}{40}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yes, did u get why this is a combination and not a permutation problem ?

OpenStudy (mathmath333):

cuz we choosing 3 numbers one by one and not forming 3 numbers like \(abc_{10}\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yes, we never bothered about order while doing this problem

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

we could also do it using permutations but it is painful here

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

if we use permutations, the count of favor also changes

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

(2, 3, 6) (2, 4, 8) (2, 5, 10)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

since (2, 3, 6) works, all the 6 permutations of it also work : (2, 6, 3) (3, 2, 6) (3, 6, 2) (6, 2, 3) (6, 3, 2)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

after all that mess, you will get the same answer

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

In these probability problems, it doesn't matter whether you use permutations or combinations.. the final answer wont change if you do it correctly

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