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OpenStudy (loser66):

Find cube root of i Please, help

OpenStudy (zzr0ck3r):

I am here to learn, I sux at this stuff. Something about a circle :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

take one third of that angle to find the first one the other two are evenly spaced around the circle

OpenStudy (anonymous):

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OpenStudy (anonymous):

\[\frac{\sqrt3}{2}+\frac{1}{2}i\] is that one two more to go

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

geometry is awesome! you want to find a number which when cubed produces \(i\) : \[\large {(e^{i\theta})^3 = e^{i\frac{\pi}{2}}\\\implies 3\theta = \frac{\pi}{2}+2k\pi}\] you can solve \(\theta\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

notice the trick with exponents when we rise a complex number to a power, the argument(angle) simply gets multiplied by the power

OpenStudy (loser66):

Thanks for the guidance. Question: is there any link among the roots?

OpenStudy (freckles):

assume \[\sqrt[3]{i}=x+yi \\ \text{ cube both sides } i=(x+yi)^3 \\ i=x^3+(yi)^3+3x^2(yi)+3x(yi)^2 \\ i=x^3-3xy^2+3x^2yi-y^3i \\ \text{ so we have } x^3-3xy^2=0 \text{ and } 3x^2y-y^3=1 \\ \text{ assume } x \neq 0 \text{ so } x^2=3y^2 \text{ so the second equation can be written as } \\ 3(3y^2)y-y^3=1 \\ 9y^3-y^3=1 \\ 8y^3=1 \\ y=\frac{1}{2} \\ x^2=3(\frac{1}{2})^2 \\ x^2=\frac{3}{4} \\ \] \[x=\pm \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[\sqrt[3]{i}=\pm \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2} + \frac{1}{2} i\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Easy to see that these nth roots add up to \(0\) is that the link you talking about ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

as you might know we can treat these literally same as vectors look at the geometry, they have symmetry, they must add up to 0

OpenStudy (freckles):

oh and I guess x=0 can be a solution to that one equation which makes \[-y^3=1 \\ \text{ so } y^3=-1 \\ \text{ so } y=-1 \text{ and so the last solution would be } x+yi=0-i =-i \]

OpenStudy (loser66):

My computer is .... crazy!! ok, I got sum of them =-i not 0, how?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

i wouldn't know what you did to get -i haha must be some arithmetic error somewhere.. just double check :) but isn't the geometry so convincing ?

OpenStudy (loser66):

I use algebraic way

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[(\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}+\frac{1}{2}i)+(\frac{-\sqrt{3}}{2}+\frac{1}{2}i)+(0-i) \\ (\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}+0)+(\frac{1}{2}+\frac{1}{2}-1)i \]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

^

OpenStudy (loser66):

Like what you said above the root is \(r = e^{i(\pi/6 + 2\pi n/3)}\) , where n = 0,1,2

OpenStudy (loser66):

replace n = 0, I get \(r_1 = e^{i\pi/6}=\sqrt{3}/2 + i/2\)

OpenStudy (loser66):

n =1 , \(r_2 = -\sqrt{3}/2 -i/2\) n =2 \(r_3 = -i\) sum of them =-i

OpenStudy (loser66):

I realize that @freckles has the same answer with mine.

OpenStudy (freckles):

your r_2 should be...

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[-\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}+\frac{i}{2} \text{ \right ? }\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yeah the second root is in second quadrant so its imaginary component must be positive

OpenStudy (loser66):

\(r_2 = e^{i(\pi/6 + 2pi/3}= e^{i\pi/6}*e^{i2\pi/3} = (\sqrt {3}/2+i/2)*(cos 2pi/3 + isin2pi/3)\) \(=(\sqrt3/2+i/2)(-1/2+i\sqrt3/2)\) \(=-\sqrt3/4+i 3/4 -i/4 -\sqrt 3/4\) \(= -\sqrt3/2 +i/2\)

OpenStudy (loser66):

oh, yes, I got it =0. Man!! it drove me crazy!! Thanks you guys!!:)

OpenStudy (loser66):

Question: no matter what the result is, to test whether I can get it right or not, the sum of roots =0, right? just make sure. :)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

wouldn't it be simpler to just add the exponents \(r_2 = e^{i(\pi/6 + 2pi/3}= e^{i5\pi/6} = \cos(5\pi/6)+i\sin(5\pi/6)\)

OpenStudy (loser66):

Yes, it is!! but my prof asked us to try many ways but geometry. hehehe..

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

geometry is only to convince you you cannot draw a picture and say "it is a proof"

OpenStudy (loser66):

To this stuff, the first step is geometry to define the arg z , right?

OpenStudy (loser66):

like: find the square root of 7-6i

OpenStudy (loser66):

We need geometry to define where it is and how to get the angle.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

not really complex numbers form a field, we define complex number as an ordered pair \((a,b)\) and give it structure by defining other necessary operations

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

geometry helps in visualizing stuff it was not part of definition so strictly speaking you can totally avoid geometry

OpenStudy (freckles):

like you can say \[\sqrt{7-6i}=x+yi \\ \text{ sqaure both sides and then compare real and imagainry parts }\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

that is what I did to the previous one

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

above equation,\(\sqrt{~z~}=w\) is equivalent to \[7 = x^2-y^2\\-6 = 2xy\] so any equation in complex variable can be split as a system of equations of real variables

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

finding \(n\)th roots of a complex number is essentially same as solving a system of polynomial equations of degree \(n\) unless you take advantage of the geometry, finding nth roots is very difficult by hand as solving \(n\)th degree polynomial equations is a major pain

OpenStudy (loser66):

I got you. I have another problem. Let me post a new one.

OpenStudy (loser66):

Ha!! the net doesn't allow me to close this post. hehehe

OpenStudy (freckles):

the net or openstudy? :p

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

i can close it for you, one sec..

OpenStudy (loser66):

Let z = cis (2pi/n) for n > = 2 Show that 1 + z + ...+ z^(n-1) =0

OpenStudy (freckles):

n is an integer?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

There are like dozens of proofs, il just give you my favorite and simple one

OpenStudy (loser66):

yes

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