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HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

Limits questions

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

Given that \[\lim_{x \rightarrow 2}(5x-5) =5\], find values of \(\delta\) that correspond to \(\epsilon\)=0.1, \(\epsilon\)=0.05, and \(\epsilon\)=0.01

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

finally you have started reviewing epsilon delta!

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

Looks like it :P

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

I would think you would start off by making this equation: -0.1<5x-5<0.1

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

then solving for x -0.1<5x-5<0.1 +5 +5 +5 ------------- 4.9<5x<5.1 /5 /5 /5 --------- 0.98<x<1.02

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

I'm just kind of confused as to what you would do here... Since a=2, wouldn't you subtract 0.98 and 1.02 from 2?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

0.98<x<1.02 thats same as : |x| < 0.02 yes ?

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

right

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

so \(\delta = 0.02\) works

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

so you don't need to subtract from whatever the value of a is? (which in this problem, it's 2)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

what that means is if you're with in \(0.02\) around \(x=2\), the value of function stays within \(0.1\) around \(5\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

a graph might help you want to spend some time and see whats going on

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

or you may continue with rest of the problems and hope things become clear after doing few problems

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

It's funny, I've already done a lot of problems. And things seemed pretty straightforward until i got to this one.

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

For example, I had a problem that read, "Find a number \(\delta\) such that if \[\left| x-2 \right|=\delta\], then \(\left| 5x-10\right|=\epsilon\), where \(\epsilon =0.1\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

ikr! often times the concepts look so easy when you read them but you only get to really learn them only after actually solving the problems

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

^ agreed. But this problem that preceded...I was able to get it with no problem. my process looked like this: -0.1<5x-10<0.1 +10 +10 +10 ------------------ 9.9<5x<10.1 /5 /5 /5 ---------- 1.98<x<2.002

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

from there, I subtracted 2 from 2.02, and 1.98 from two, which both gave me 0.02. So I concluded that \(\delta =0.02\), which was a correct answer according to the computer software I'm using.

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

So I assumed from then that I knew what I was doing XD I suppose I was just confused about the fact that the functions are different, but they wield the same answers

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

let me ask you a question there

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

Sure

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you have ``` 1.98<x<2.002 ``` then you say : ``` from there, I subtracted 2 from 2.02, and 1.98 from two, which both gave me 0.02.`

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

yes

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

that is wrong how can both give you 0.02 ? double check

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

wait...

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

2.02-2=0.02 2-1.98=0.02 ^^ they both do give 0.02 o-o

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Oops sry, you're right!

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

so it seems the same \(\delta\) works in both cases

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

yeah :P weird how the solutions are exactly the same, regardless of the functions being different

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

Why is that? do you know?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

they both are kinda same functions, they only differ by a constant

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

f(x) = 5x-5 g(x) = 5x-10

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

that's true...I suppose that makes sense, thy only vary by where in the graph they start

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

Another thing i don't get is that with the 5x-10, you use 2 in order to find \(\delta\) but with 5x-5, you use 1 in order to find \(\delta\) I don't know why I get hung up on these tiny details XD

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

teamviewer ?

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

o-o pardon?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you don't have teamviewer/skype?

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

nope

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

I could screenshot you what I'm looking at o-o

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

not necessary, i have a khan academy video that explains exactly this one sec..

HanAkoSolo (jamierox4ev3r):

omg @ganeshie8 that's actually a super clear explanation, I got it! Thank you u.u

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