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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Systems of Equations, please help!!

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I know what the answers are but I cannot seem to get there =(

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Let's focus on #24 \[\Large \begin{cases} 13 = 3x - y\\ 4y-3x+2z = -3\\ z = 2x - 4y\\ \end{cases}\]

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Notice we have a pair of 'z's here \[\Large \begin{cases} 13 = 3x - y\\ 4y-3x+2{\LARGE \color{red}{z}} = -3\\ {\LARGE \color{red}{z}} = 2x - 4y\\ \end{cases}\]

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

what we can do is replace the 'z' in the second equation with '2x-4y' since z = 2x-4y in the third equation we can then drop the third equation after substitution \[\Large \begin{cases} 13 = 3x - y\\ 4y-3x+2\color{red}{z} = -3\\ \color{red}{z} = 2x - 4y\end{cases}\] \[\Large \begin{cases} 13 = 3x - y\\ 4y-3x+2\color{red}{(2x-4y)} = -3\end{cases}\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

For 24, which I think I maybe got right, I ended up with \[y=3x-13, 4y-3x+2z=-3, z=2x-4y\] and then substituted to end up with \[4(3x-13)-3x+2(2x-4(3x-13))=-3\] which simplified to \[x=5, y=2, z=2\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Is that correct (I have all the work but it's so long so I didn't post it sorry)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

You did the right steps. Nice job

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Awesome, thanks! Um do you think you could help with 25,26,27,28, or 29?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

Those are definitely harder because one variable isn't already isolated. But we can isolate a variable, say z if we pick on the third equation and solve for z, we get 3x - 2y - z = -9 3x - 2y - z+z = -9+z 3x - 2y = -9+z 3x - 2y + 9 = -9+z+9 3x - 2y + 9 = z z = 3x - 2y + 9

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

agreed so far?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

For which question?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

#25

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay =) Yeah that looks good

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

once we have z isolated, we can replace every copy of `z` in the first two equations with `(3x - 2y + 9)`

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay, did that =)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

first equation: `x+3y-z = -4` will turn into `x+3y-(3x - 2y + 9) = -4` second equation `2x-y+2z=13` will turn into `2x-y+2(3x - 2y + 9) =13`

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

at this point, the 'z' has gone away leaving you with a system of 2 equations with 2 unknowns

OpenStudy (anonymous):

That makes sense! I think I tried to overcomplicate it last time lol. So from here, you would just isolate a variable in one of them and then plug whatever that is into the other equation? Or would you solve both for a variable and then solve it like a regular system?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you can use a number of methods to solve this new system 1) substitution 2) elimination 3) matrices 4) graphing graphing is probably the fastest way, but it doesn't always guarantee you get the exact answers (the point may have fractional coordinates)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I am most comfortable with substitution =) So I solve both for a variable (let's say y, so y=something) and then just substitute (if y=x and y=2 then 2=x)?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

you are correct

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

let me know what you get

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Awesome thanks! Alright I'll do that real quick...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I got y=2x-13 and y=(-5/3)

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

x,y, & z are all whole numbers for #25

OpenStudy (anonymous):

True. And the answer for this is x=0, y=1, z=7... let's see what I did wrong.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ah. I combined x and y. I'll redo it

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

how did you get `y=2x-13`? which equation did you solve for y?

jimthompson5910 (jim_thompson5910):

alright

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I solved the first one to get that.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

|dw:1442627727801:dw| Here's what I did to solve the first eq.

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