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OpenStudy (anonymous):

How to prove a liner map/transformation? Question in comments.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (amistre64):

what defines linearity?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

T(x+y) = T(x) + T(y) T(kx) = kT(x), for some constant k

OpenStudy (amistre64):

are these conditions sufficient?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I know those conditions, I don't know how to apply them.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I did this for part a) and now I'm stuck at part b), same question

OpenStudy (anonymous):

These are the questions

OpenStudy (amistre64):

does (x1+x2,y1+y2) =((x1+x2)(y1+y2),0)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

or rather, does the process work out?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yes, so if I multiply them out, that I am supposed just to go backwards again?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes, the idea is to show that the transform of the sum of 2 vectors is equal to the sum of the transforms

OpenStudy (amistre64):

or that it fails ...

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So, is this it?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I don't really see the point of doing this :|

OpenStudy (anonymous):

And I think it fails the second test?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the point is to give you practice :) make you familiar with the concepts

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok, I am willing to practice, I am just not sure if I am doing the right thing, or if I am writing nonsense

OpenStudy (amistre64):

T((2,1)+(0,3))= T(2,4) = T(2,1) +T(0,3) T(2,4) = T(2,1) +T(0,3) now we see if the transforms are equal (2(4),0) = (2(1),0) +(0(3),0) (8,0) = (2,0) +(0,0) well, it fails in that we can find an example at least; (8,0) is nto the same as (2,0) is it?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if T(a+b)=T(a)+T(b), then T(x) is a linear tranformation. and T(x) is defined so that we can compare results

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok, give me few mins to figure this out. Thank you

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ok, I understand. I'll write that down neatly now. Would you mind taking a look at question 5, if that is not too much to ask? Just part a, if I get a), I will be able to solve b) on my own.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

as for a, and assuming ive read your notations correctly T((x,xn)+(y,yn))= T(x,xn) + T(y,yn) T((x+y),(xn+yn))= T(x,xn) + T(y,yn) T(a,b)= 3a+2b 3(x+y)+ 2(xn+yn) = 3x +2xn + 3y+2yn 3(x+y)+ 2(xn+yn) = 3(x+y) +2(xn+yn), works out fine -------------------------- T(kx,ky) = k T(x,y) 3kx+2ky = k (3x+2y) k(3x+2y) = k (3x+2y) works fine too so a is linear

OpenStudy (amistre64):

ill look at it

OpenStudy (amistre64):

hmmm, it gives you a hint ... my idea was dealing with matrixes.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

im still thinking on a good approach, the hint doesnt do much in my mind ....

OpenStudy (anonymous):

If I multiply f(0, 1) = (3, 2, 1) with 2 as the hits says, and f(1, 1) = (−1, 0, 1) with 3. And combine them together (subtract them) I will get: f(3, 1) = (-9, -4, 1)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

And now, I should use 3 and 1 to somehow get 5 and -9, and 0 and -4, and -2 and 1. Which seems very confusing. f(3, 1) = (5, 0, −2) f(3, 1) = (-9, -4, 1)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

\[\begin{pmatrix}v_1&u_1\\v_2&u_2\\v_3&u_3 \end{pmatrix} \begin{pmatrix}x_1\\x_2\end{pmatrix}=\begin{pmatrix}b_1\\b_2\\b_3 \end{pmatrix}\]

OpenStudy (amistre64):

we can setup 3 equations for each row and try to solve the system. was my idea

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Can you give me an example how would you construct an equation from one of those? (because they are vectors)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Or if (3, 1) = 3(1, 1) − 2(0, 1) Than (5, 0, −2) should be equal to 3 (−1, 0, 1) - 2 (3, 2, 1) ? And if it is, I proved it! I guess? :D

OpenStudy (amistre64):

0a+1b=3 0c+1d=2 0e+1f=1 1a+1b=-1 1c+1d=0 1e+1f=1 3a+1b=5 3c+1d=0 3e+1f=-2 solving for a b rref{{0,1,3},{1,1,-1},{3,1,5}}

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Okay, I see where you're going, I'll try to solve them.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

it was a thought, but i dont think itll pan out that well.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the transform will look like some contrived thing as: T(x,y)=(x^2+2, xy^2+2y, 2x) something like this but this is just a random jotting for descriptive purposes

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The solutions I got to the equations above, does not match. As we had 9 equations and 6 unknowns. Does that mean the map is not linear?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Because I got a=-4 b=3 c=-2 d=2 e=0 f=1 And when I use those values in third set of equations I'm not getting 5,0,-2, instead, I am getting -9,-4,1 which is actually in part b of this question. So there is a linear map for part b, but not for part a.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

It doesn't look like the best way to do it, but it perfectly makes sense (and does the job I guess)?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

it means that the mapping we chose is not linear for 'a' ... which is not the same as not having a linear map

OpenStudy (amistre64):

but at least it works in b :)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

How is that? Shouldn't it be linear for every value?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

f and g are 2 different objects, the mapping on g does not imply that it has to perform the same for f

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah, but the values for first two equations are the same, so I will get same solutions for a,b,c,d,e and f for both function f and g.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

all that means is the f and g converge for part of their existence.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

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