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OpenStudy (anonymous):

Normal probability problem (screenshot attached).

OpenStudy (anonymous):

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I'm a bit confused about how to solve c-e. It's probably something simple that I'm missing

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

c. This is the definition of the 90th percentile.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@tkhunny Would I have to convert from X to Z, given that it's a normal probability as opposed to standard normal?

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

If you were to calculate the sample mean and standard deviation, Z-Values could be calculated.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

...estimated Z-values

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Well, I already have an estimated mean. The SD would just be\[\huge \sigma = \sqrt{\frac{ \sum(x-\bar{x})^2 }{ n-1 }}\] right?

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Okay, what is the numeric result? And what is the mean?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The mean is 1.34. I haven't calculated the SD yet.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Good. Do you have a requirement for two decimal places?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

No, but that was the value that I used for part a). X) I got 0.01549 for the SD

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

That's no good. Give it another go. Did you find a square root to get that?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Hmm, probably stupid calculation error. I used the formula that I posted above

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Try it again. You'll get it.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I used excel this time and got 0.3258

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

You used stdevp() instead of stdev(). You need the sample SD, not the population SD.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I used STDEV(). Maybe I had input it wrong? =STDEV(column array, mean)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

which part would you like help with

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh wait, I shouldn't have included the mean

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

Okay, I don't know why you included the mean. That will artificially reduce the standard deviation since the SD already includes all the data. You just added one centrally-located value.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah, I realized that ahaha. 0.3365!

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

There you go. Now for the Z-Score, using x = 1.3.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

The conversion that I have is \[\text{Standardization}: \large \frac{ \bar{x}-\mu }{ \sigma / \sqrt{n} }\] But isn't \(\bar{x}\) already \(\mu\) in this case?

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

This is not a Mean estimate. Get rid of the \(\sqrt{n}\) and do the arithmetic, using the estimated values.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

It's not \(\overline{x}\), either. Just x. x = 1.3

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Then what's \(\mu\)? You got x = 1.3 from part (a). right?

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

You estimated \(\mu\) with \(\overline{x} = 1.34\) right up front, no?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Yeah!

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

And the result is...?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Oh, I thought I meant that I estimated \(\mu\) *as* 1.34. I have not made a separate calculation for \(\mu\). But wouldn't they be the same process and give me the same number?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I apologize! I can do physics and differential equations, but I have the hardest time grasping concepts of statistics X)

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

You can't make a calculation for \(\mu\). It is what it is. Use \(\overline{x} = 1.34\) Statistics can be a bear. Just go slowly and deliberately.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Sure, so then I got that \[\large Z=\frac{ 1.34- \mu }{ 0.3365 }\]

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Just curious -- why did you get rid of the \(\sqrt{n}\)? In my notes I have that the standardization of \(\bar{x}\) includes it.

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

No, \(Z = \dfrac{x - \overline{x}}{0.3365} = \dfrac{1.3 - 1.34}{0.3365}\) \(\sqrt{n}\) applies to estimates of the MEAN, not estimates of a single value, X.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Ohh, I think I understand what we're doing here. We don't have \(\mu\), but we can estimate it using the estimator of \(\hat{\mu}=\bar{x}\). So where did the x = 1.3 come from?

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

It's in the problem statement.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

For c?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@tkhunny

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

D. We finished C. a long time ago.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

I see. When I asked my question after your initial response I was referring to c), but I think I understand where we're at now. So the value that I found for Z is -0.1189

OpenStudy (anonymous):

@tkhunny Did you get 0.4522?

OpenStudy (tkhunny):

?? \(\dfrac{1.3−1.34}{0.3365} = \dfrac{-0.04}{0.3365} = -0.1189\)

OpenStudy (anonymous):

Right, but it's asking for probability..?

OpenStudy (anonymous):

So P(Z<-0.1189)

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