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OpenStudy (babynini):

Anti derivatives. Hewp.

OpenStudy (babynini):

OpenStudy (babynini):

OpenStudy (babynini):

@amistre64 you free? :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

what is a linear expression?

OpenStudy (babynini):

hm? o.o

OpenStudy (babynini):

[oh for the second one under position I got: -16(t-3)^2+297(t-3)+297 which is correct] I just need the last on on the velocity and the last two on position D:

OpenStudy (amistre64):

how did you figure out the others on velocity?

OpenStudy (babynini):

did current velocity and displacement haha probably a lot more complicated than I had to make it.

OpenStudy (babynini):

I pretty much guessed at how to do it. I don't really understand it that well.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

given an acceleration, we can find an antiderivative to define velocity knowing velocity, we can find an antiderivative to define position

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if a = 66t, then v = 66t^2/2 + c

OpenStudy (babynini):

and c was 0 in that case.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

that does appear to be the case

OpenStudy (amistre64):

after the fuel runs out, gravity is accelerating it and you are at a velocity starting at 297 -32(t-3) +297 is fine, but it may help to distribute and combine the constants just to be safe

OpenStudy (amistre64):

-32t +96+297 antiderives to what?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

the distribution prolly isnt all that important

OpenStudy (babynini):

can I just add the 96+297? haha

OpenStudy (amistre64):

you can yes

OpenStudy (babynini):

-16t^2+393t

OpenStudy (amistre64):

right, or -32(t-3)^2/2 + 297(t-3)+ the height it was at when this leg started

OpenStudy (amistre64):

or maybe that takes care of the height .... never tried to not distribute first

OpenStudy (babynini):

mm well I guess it does since it's right xD o.o

OpenStudy (amistre64):

wohoo

OpenStudy (babynini):

Mhm. Just the last one needs some work haha

OpenStudy (babynini):

when t>23

OpenStudy (amistre64):

if something doesnt change, what do we call it?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

... it remains the same, itis constant

OpenStudy (amistre64):

what is the velocity at t=23?

OpenStudy (babynini):

I just plug that into the original velocity one? (the first one?)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

of course not, the start of the last leg is determined by the leg before it ...

OpenStudy (babynini):

Wait that's before it slows down =.= sorry. Just a sec.

OpenStudy (babynini):

-23?

OpenStudy (babynini):

oh yay that's it. woop. So now for position I have the first two done.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

you should be able to do all of them now. antiderivatives of linear stuff is rather elementary and youve already done 2 of them

OpenStudy (babynini):

I always am messing up when I get to the constant part. Like trying to figure that out.

OpenStudy (babynini):

like 11t^3 I got because it is simply the anti derivative of the first one of velocity.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

and when t=0,our starting position is .... well 0 isnt it?

OpenStudy (babynini):

Yep yep

OpenStudy (amistre64):

we get our starting position from the last position we were at which is determined by the position equation above it

OpenStudy (babynini):

so the second we would get from..3?

OpenStudy (babynini):

plugging 3 into the first one to get the constant for the second one?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

at 3 seconds we are starting at a position of 11(3)^3

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yes

OpenStudy (babynini):

the third one's constant we would get from plugging 18 into the second?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

yep

OpenStudy (babynini):

hmm that comes out to 1152. Is that correct? it seems large xD

OpenStudy (babynini):

16(t-3)^2-183(t-3)+1152 is incorrect.

OpenStudy (babynini):

because of the change of the time that it's falling at perhaps.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

what we got for velocities are: v1= 33t^2 v2= -32t +393 v3= 32t - 759 v4= -23 right?

OpenStudy (babynini):

yeah.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

was position number 2 correct? -16(t-3) +297(t-3) ?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

ugh, forgot a ^2

OpenStudy (babynini):

position 2: -16(t-3)^2+297(t-3)+297 was correct

OpenStudy (amistre64):

11*3^3 = 297 so that was our constant

OpenStudy (amistre64):

what would you say is position 3?

OpenStudy (babynini):

uh well if we plug 18 into the second velocity we get -183

OpenStudy (amistre64):

position, we want position not velocity

OpenStudy (babynini):

16(t-3)^2-183(t-3)+1152 for the third position but it's wrong. I Got the 1152 from plugging 18 into the second position.

OpenStudy (amistre64):

-16(t-3)^2+297(t-3)+297, at t=18 is 1152 to start the next leg with

OpenStudy (amistre64):

t-18 not t-3

OpenStudy (babynini):

oh gotcha. o.o Yeah it's right now then haha

OpenStudy (amistre64):

and the last one?

OpenStudy (babynini):

637?

OpenStudy (babynini):

for the constant

OpenStudy (amistre64):

637 for constant good

OpenStudy (babynini):

__(t-23)+637 I'm unsure what the first number is

OpenStudy (amistre64):

-23 of course

OpenStudy (amistre64):

v4= -23 p4 = -23(t-23)+ 637

OpenStudy (amistre64):

for a constant: k the antiderivative is: kt + c

OpenStudy (babynini):

oh yes yes. ok! so velocity and position are all correct now

OpenStudy (amistre64):

i would hope so :)

OpenStudy (babynini):

haha yay!! Now part b! xP

OpenStudy (babynini):

so max height would be when the first velocity = 0?

OpenStudy (amistre64):

good luck with it ... ive got work in the morning so im heading out

OpenStudy (babynini):

Haha thanks so much for all your help :)

OpenStudy (amistre64):

max height is when velocity = 0 test each velocity for 0 and see if t is in the interval

OpenStudy (amistre64):

in some cases, it may be a min or a max so knowing how it looks graphically might be useful

OpenStudy (babynini):

okies!

OpenStudy (amistre64):

good luck

OpenStudy (babynini):

thanks :)

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