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OpenStudy (curry):

Question about probability

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Consider the below event : A : Not getting called by teacher for all "n" questions

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

And look at a prticular student, whats P(A) for a particular student ?

OpenStudy (curry):

uhm, (1/n)^n ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

nope, thats the probability for getting called in all questions try again

OpenStudy (curry):

hmm, (1-(1/n))^n?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

yes, you could also work it like this : when the teacher asks a question, n-1 students are not getting called so number of ways in which a student is not called = n-1 total students = n so probability for not getting called for a particular question = (n-1)/n

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

probability for not getting called for all n questions = ((n-1)/n)^n

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

that is same as the answer you got

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

but we want to find the expected number of students not getting called not the probability

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

simply multiply above probability by "n" to get the expected value

OpenStudy (curry):

wait, so that means we're multiplying the probability that a student never gets called on, by the number of students to get teh expected # of students that never get called?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

not quite

OpenStudy (curry):

and how does that incorporate linearity of expectations?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

for a particular student, the probability that he is never called in all n questions is ((n-1)/n)^n the expected value is simply 1* ((n-1)/n)^n by lnearity, the overalll expected value equals the sum of the individual expected values : 1* ((n-1)/n)^n + 1* ((n-1)/n)^n + .... + 1* ((n-1)/n)^n

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

there are "n" terms in above sum

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

therefore the expected value is n*((n-1)/n)^n

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

if that makes any sense... i got that by a quick read from http://www.cse.iitd.ac.in/~mohanty/col106/Resources/linearity_expectation.pdf

OpenStudy (curry):

OOO! yes yes that makes sense!

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

look at Theorem2.5 in above link

OpenStudy (curry):

You're adding up the individual probaility of each student.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

I am adding up the individual expected values, not probability

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

they both turn out to be same in our case though

OpenStudy (curry):

Is there a way to write our answer in that format given in that link?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Theorem2.5 is identical to our problem just put \(m=n\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

ball = question bin = student

OpenStudy (curry):

OO! yes yes, didnt ctach the bottom part.

OpenStudy (curry):

and for part b, i'm thinking that

OpenStudy (curry):

wouldn't it just be that n/2 vertices in R, so there is 1 / (n/2) possibilities that a vertex in R is connected to one in L?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

I think the expected number of edges should be m/4

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

we're given that the graph has "m" edges consider the vertices of one edge

OpenStudy (curry):

Just wanted to ask if that's what you'd expect.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

that is a surprising result indeed! id like to double check... after this..

OpenStudy (curry):

mhmm, ok, so we have 2 vertices, and they'd both be in L or R.

OpenStudy (curry):

thank yU!

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

whats the probability for those two vertices to be in different bins ?

OpenStudy (curry):

1/2

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

both vertices cannot be in L both vertices cannot be in R

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

if one vertex is in L, then other vertex must be in R

OpenStudy (curry):

wait isn't that only defined to be a cut? not the actual edge?

OpenStudy (curry):

cause an edge can be formed between ANY two vertices and only a cut is defined as the edges between L and R right?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

there are "m" edges in the graph it is a given

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

we're not creating any "new" edges between L and R

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

we're only checking if an edge already exists between L and R

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

if it exists, then we put that edge in "cut"

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

If it helps, consider an analogy

OpenStudy (curry):

Mhmm, and how owuld I proceed with that?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

take the graph of students in your class

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

each student is a vertex an edge exists between two students if they are friends

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Now, partition the students randomly : L , R

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

next look at the partition and pick students in L who have friends in R

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

that is only an analogy

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

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