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OpenStudy (thecalchater):

Calc Help? Check my work

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

I found the derivative of - x^2-1/(x^2+1)^2. I then set it to zero to get x=1,-1 as our critical points. I then plugged in -2 and 2 into the derivative to see whether it has a negative or positive slope. The relative extrema is x=0 is the local max and x=sqrt3,-sqrt3 is a local minimum.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Your derivative looks a little off, unless you made a typo,\[\large\rm f'(x)=\frac{1-x^2}{(x^2+1)^2}\]the 1 should be positive.

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Critical points look correct though :) Hmm

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

in my calc it shows the whole function to be negative the negative is before the equation...

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Does it? Ok maybe I made a boo boo :) I'll check again

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

That's ok once you distribute you get what zep has

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Oh did you mean to write this?\[\large\rm f'(x)=-\frac{x^2-1}{(x^2+1)^2}\]

zepdrix (zepdrix):

I thought the negative was on the x^2 only, my bad.

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

yes that is what i got

zepdrix (zepdrix):

I feel like you're missing something for your test points. You wanted to see what was happening "around" each test point. So you chose x=-2 to see what is happening on the left side of x=-1, good. You then chose x=2 to see what is happening on the right side of x=2, good. What about choosing a test point between x=-1 and x=1?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

to see what happening on the right side of x=1*

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

ill plug one in give me a sec

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

if we plug in 0 we get 1 so it is a positive slope

zepdrix (zepdrix):

|dw:1449864511843:dw|ok sounds good :)

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

so then my answer is correct i just have to add in that i tested 0?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

x=0 was not a critical point. How could it possibly be extrema? 0_O

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

it is the local max

zepdrix (zepdrix):

??

zepdrix (zepdrix):

You get your possible max/min values from your critical points. x=0 is not a critical point, so it's not even in the running.

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

but when we set it to 0 we get our critical points?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

This answer key makes no sense at all... where is sqrt(3) coming from? Are you sure this corresponds to this problem?

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

that is when i plug the derivative into a calc and it says find the local min and max

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Oh oh oh, this is a different problem. See that f(x) does not match your f(x).

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

oh should i have used f'(x) or the original f(x)

zepdrix (zepdrix):

You used f'(x), they wanted f(x) apparently. But I hope what I'm explaining makes sense without you needing the calculator lol :) x=0 was not a critical point, x=-sqrt(3) doesn't even make sense XD lol

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Haha, yeah so essentially what you do is find the derivative and set it equal to 0 and find where it's undefined to find the candidates for your critical values.

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

No no, he used f(x) he didn't find f'(x)

zepdrix (zepdrix):

No, I'm pretty sure his original post includes his f(x), this newer post is some online calculator.

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Haha xD

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

yeah i found the derivative and set it to 0 to find the critical points... the original f(x) is the other thing the one i posted was the dervative not the original f(x)

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

ok so where do i take it from here?

OpenStudy (astrophysics):

Ok I see you had it listed as f(x)

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

yeah it should have been f'(x)

zepdrix (zepdrix):

|dw:1449865034347:dw|you applied the first derivative test, did your sign chart good. Do you see your local max min?

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

-1 being the min adn 1 being the max?

zepdrix (zepdrix):

ya :d simple as that :D

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

thanks i will post the second question in a second

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Err careful how you say that :) They usually want the y coordinate for the max/min. So we would say x=-1 gives us a minimum value of y=-1/2

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

ok

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

here is the second question it uses the MVT

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

yeah

zepdrix (zepdrix):

For us to be allowed to apply the MVT, the function must satisfy two things: ~ Continuous on this interval [0,1] ~ Differentiable on this interval (0,1) Do we have any discontinuities? Does this function have any asymptotes or sharp corners?

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

Vertical Asymptotes :x=−1 Horizontal Asymptotes :y=0

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

x=-1 is a discontinuity

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Discontinuity at x=-1 which is NOT within our interval [0,1]. If we take the derivative of this function, we'll end up with some type of x+1 in the denominator, which still only tells us about x=-1. So good, our function is continuous and differentiable on [0,1], so yes we can apply the MVT :) Step 1 complete.

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

ok

zepdrix (zepdrix):

If we take the secant line which connects the ends points of our interval,|dw:1449865638879:dw|

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