An object moves along the path x^2 - y^2 = 5. At the point (-3, 2), dx/dt=-4. Find dy/dt at that same point.
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OpenStudy (caozeyuan):
from the equation you can differentiate x on both sides and get dy/dx=f(x,y), which is actually a number is x and y are known
OpenStudy (caozeyuan):
now, dy/dx=dy/dt*dt/dx, since dt/dx=1/(dx/dt), there is only one unkown which is dy/dt, solve it and you are done
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Umm I'm still confused..
OpenStudy (caozeyuan):
\[2x-2yy'=0\] correct?
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Yes :)
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OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
yes that's correct
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
now solve for dy/dt
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
but you missed dx/dt
OpenStudy (caozeyuan):
\[y'=\frac{ x }{ y }\]
OpenStudy (caozeyuan):
if x=-3,y=2, y'=-3/2
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OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
x and y are all depend on t
OpenStudy (caozeyuan):
so dy/dt*dt/dx=-3/2
OpenStudy (caozeyuan):
since dx/dt=-4,dt/dx=1/-4
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
\(x^2-y^2=5\)
\(2xx'-2yy'=0\)
OpenStudy (caozeyuan):
dy/dt*-1/4=-3/2, dy/dt=6
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OpenStudy (caozeyuan):
we have diff notation, my y' is dy/dx, not dy/dt
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
solving for y'
\(y'=xx'/y\)
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
now substitute
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Ohhhhh! Now I understand how to do dy/dt! :)
OpenStudy (caozeyuan):
and we arrive at same answer, but diff method
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OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
why are looking dy/dx?
the question is asked to find dy/dt
OpenStudy (anonymous):
That makes so much more sense thank you guys! :)
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
eh i just realized @Breee615 is the poster haha
thought it was you
OpenStudy (caozeyuan):
because I can use chain rule
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
yes you can! so you diff with respect to x first the implicit equation
is that what you did?
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OpenStudy (phi):
using x' is ambiguous, but works as long as you know it means dx/dt
But being more explicit , and using implicit differentiation with respect to t:
\[ \frac{d}{dt} \left(x^2 - y^2 = 5\right) \\2x \frac{dx}{dt} - 2y \frac{dy}{dt}= 0
\]
now fill in the known values, and solve for dy/dt
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
yeah true, i wanted to write that way but kind lazy to use too much latex hahah
OpenStudy (caozeyuan):
yes, that exactly what I did, then I find out the dy/dx= some number by pluging in x and y, finally the dx/dt comes in during chain rule
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
but certainly i agree with you
OpenStudy (anonymous):
So wait my answer is 6 right?? If it isn't then I must not understand how to do it :o
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OpenStudy (caozeyuan):
Yes it is
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
oh makes sense :)
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
you should have used dy/dx instead of y' hahah
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Okay good, thank you :)
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
that's chain rule still
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OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
so how did you get -12
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
the answer 6 for sure haha
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
the first step is correct old man :)
what the next step
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
oh that's the parametric thingy
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
oh great job!
you just did what @coazeyuan did
just you nailed it down more
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OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
you used the parametric derivative dy/dx
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
you can use several variable calc but the poster should understand it though
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Do you guys mind helping me with another problem quick? :)
OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):
post in a diff post
OpenStudy (anonymous):
Okay! :)
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