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OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

1 + 1 = ? no really, wat interpretation of S(1) (as in successor function)

OpenStudy (anitas.):

this is a hard one!! XD

OpenStudy (alexandervonhumboldt2):

S1=S

OpenStudy (alexandervonhumboldt2):

good

imqwerty (imqwerty):

1 apple + 1apple=2apples

Zeronknight (zeronknight):

I don't think he means 1+1 in a literal way....right?

OpenStudy (alexandervonhumboldt2):

qwarty+alax=SH

Zeronknight (zeronknight):

i'm just wondering if he means 1+1 in a much different matter than 1+1=2

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

do we define S(1)=2? and is S(9)=10 due to decimal representation?

OpenStudy (alexandervonhumboldt2):

WOIW S(1)=10 S(2)=100 you mean that?>

Zeronknight (zeronknight):

I am sure this isn't a spam post now? :P

OpenStudy (alexandervonhumboldt2):

S(x) whewre x is the number of digits after decimal?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

no, not really @AlexandervonHumboldt2 ... I am wondering what exactly a successor function is

imqwerty (imqwerty):

successor function is this- \(S(n)=n+1\) n\(\in\) natural number its defined for natural numbers

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

yes, but dosen't the successor function define addition?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

if it does, doesn't that mean we have to avoid using addition to define the successor function?

imqwerty (imqwerty):

what do you mean by defining addition here?

imqwerty (imqwerty):

okay it does

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

Any ideas @imqwerty ? started out with a joke but I'm actually kinda curious as to how the successor function is defined...

imqwerty (imqwerty):

can we just say that S(x) is the next number to x or S(x) denotes number quantities lying in the set [0,x] ?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

what is the next number to x? you see my problem now? I don't know very much about number theory... Is the well-ordered nature of the natural numbers an axiom? if it is, does the successor function just denote the next element in a set?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

And more about well-ordering in general: is there only exactly one way to order the natural numbers? why is S(x) unique for a given x in N?

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

which business is axiomatic and which follows from the axioms?

imqwerty (imqwerty):

number are arranged in ascending or descending order and thus there is only one way to arrange them and the arrangement must be taken as an axiom or assumption because in the ascending or descending order theory the question that why 3 is greater than 2 or smaller than 5 will arise and we can't really give a legit reason because successor function S(n) is nothing but n+1 which is simply the next number lying to n it must be unique because while arranging the numbers only 1 number can take place to the next[ascending side] of n

OpenStudy (inkyvoyd):

okay... and the existence of a successor function is in and of itself an axiom?

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