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OpenStudy (babynini):

Antiderivatives and sketching it.

OpenStudy (babynini):

Sketch the anti-derivative of f(x)=1/(1+x^4) discuss maxima, minima, concavity and intervals where it is increasing or decreasing.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Firstly, there is no "the" antiderivative. You can only find antiderivatives up to a constant.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Let \(\int f(x)\,dx = F(x)+C\) \(F(x)\) is "an" antiderivative of \(f(x)\). By fundamental theorem of calculus, we have : \[F'(x) = f(x)\] Your goal is to sketch the graph of \(F(x)\),

OpenStudy (babynini):

Mhm.

OpenStudy (babynini):

So I don't have to find the antiderrivative for the one I am given?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

that a very complicated integral to find. luckily your goal is not finding it rather finding sketching and find extrema

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yeah, this problem is not about finding antiderivatives. This is just about sketching the graph of an antiderivative using the derivative

OpenStudy (babynini):

oh thank heavens. I had already begun trying to find it and I was dreading it. okay, this just got much better :>

OpenStudy (babynini):

So what do I do?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

as ganeshie said F'(x)=f(x)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

F'(x) = 1/(1+x^4) Notice that the derivative is always positive. What does this tell us about the graph of F(x) ?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

f(x) is the derivative of F so look for the sign of f

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

you have learned that if f is an increasing function if f'>0

OpenStudy (babynini):

Isn't that f(x) = 1/(1+x^4) not f'(x) = 1/(1+x^4) ?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

F'(x)=1/(1+x^4) F is the anti-derivative i just used f and f' to refresh your memory

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

but that's just symbols the meaning stays the same

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

i mean anti-derivative hehe made same mistake with "the"

OpenStudy (babynini):

xD aghh I am not understanding.

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

ok we have f>0 because 1/(1+x^4) >0 for any x and f is the derivative of F doesn't that mean that F is an increasing antiderivative

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

this is first derivative test if you remember

OpenStudy (babynini):

Right

OpenStudy (babynini):

we're looking to graph.. F(x)?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

F is the function you usually start with and f is its own derivative we use it to test for increasing, decreasing and critical points

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

yes!

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

in order to know the behavior of a function we use first derivative test and second derivative test

OpenStudy (babynini):

so to find the critical points, where F(x) crosses the x axis, we set f(x)=0?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

usually that's what we do but f cannot be zero because it is strictly positive

OpenStudy (babynini):

so here what do we do?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

well what do you think?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

definition of critical points points that make f'=0 or that make f' does not exist in this case f' is f

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

so there are no critical points

OpenStudy (babynini):

Right o.o okay.

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

ok so we have F increasing no critical points

OpenStudy (babynini):

not even at 0?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

what is 0?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

that's inflation point

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

we were going to discuss that with second derivative test and concavity

OpenStudy (babynini):

oh ok, i see :)

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

so now you are ready to look for f'

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

which the second derivative

OpenStudy (babynini):

ooh. Man this upper case and lower case f are messing me up.

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

heheh those are just symbols the problem is you focused on symbols like f' f you should be flexible, pay attention to concepts

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

symbols just represent ideas, they are not something you should hold onto

OpenStudy (babynini):

siiigh haha yeah xD they're easy to get caught up on though. ok, lemme find f'(x)

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

ok

OpenStudy (babynini):

- (4x^3)/(1+x^4)^2

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

yeah

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

set that to 0

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

for what x is f'=0

OpenStudy (babynini):

0

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

yes and f'<0 for x? f'>0 for x?

OpenStudy (babynini):

hm?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

f'>0 for x<0 ===> concave up f'<0 for x>0 ===> concave down

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

you can look at the sign of -4x^3

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

left of 0 this quantity -4x^3>0 right of 0 -4x^3<0

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

you got it

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

?

OpenStudy (babynini):

not really o.o

OpenStudy (babynini):

\[\sqrt[3]{-4}..?\]

OpenStudy (babynini):

but that's the same thing I get both both sides

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

no! -4x^3=0 ===>x=0 where did you get radical -4

OpenStudy (babynini):

solving that for x?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

but solving for x gives x=0

OpenStudy (babynini):

...so again, 0 is our point of inflection

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

yes

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

you got everything you need to graph F

OpenStudy (babynini):

so how do i find the specific points? and min and max?

OpenStudy (babynini):

I plug numbers into f'(x)?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

there aren't any, we said there are not critical points

OpenStudy (babynini):

oh right right. Because there is no solution for f(x) to equal 0.

OpenStudy (babynini):

but to draw an accurate graph and see what points it goes through, I would plug numbers into f'(x)?

OpenStudy (babynini):

@inkyvoyd do you know how to do this? I want to draw a graph as accurately as possible. which function do i plug the point in to acheive that?

OpenStudy (babynini):

and also where it's increasing and decreasing.

OpenStudy (babynini):

@DannyO19

OpenStudy (babynini):

hey sorry, just saw this now xD

OpenStudy (babynini):

eem no I didn't try factoring anything. I ended up just drawing a general sketch

OpenStudy (dannyo19):

oh nevermind, I haven't figured it out yet.. Do you have a specific question?

OpenStudy (babynini):

I guess I just wanted to get a graph as accurate as possible. but the question only calls for a sketch so i guess it's fine :)

OpenStudy (dannyo19):

What did you conclude from your sketch?

OpenStudy (dannyo19):

Did you just plug it in to your computer or did you actually use a formula to find the indefinite integral?

OpenStudy (babynini):

hm? well I don't have to find the intergral, because I only have to sketch it.

OpenStudy (babynini):

agh I have to sleep haha it's too late and i'm brain dead. But thanks so much :) maybe we can keep working on this tomorrow. I have early classes =.=

OpenStudy (dannyo19):

Of course...

OpenStudy (dannyo19):

It looks an integration of parts, which is good topic to review if you want to find the indefinite integral formulaically but since you can just graph it, it's simple right?

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

and also where it's increasing and decreasing. we said it was increasing function all over R we concludeed it has no extrema we concluded it has an inflation point at (0,0) we said it was concave up in the interval (-oo,0) we saiid it was concave down in the interval (0,oo) all the info you need to get the graph is here

OpenStudy (xapproachesinfinity):

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