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OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

Create a graph of the pH function either by hand or using technology. Locate on your graph where the pH value is 0 and where it is 1. You may need to zoom in on your graph.

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

@ganeshie8 @mathmale @mathstudent55 @ParthKohli

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

I need help please, I need this done ASAP.

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

@mathstudent55

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

@mathmale

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

@whpalmer4

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

I'm sorry to bug you, no one else acknowledged my question.

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

what is the definition of the pH function, in mathematical terms?

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

If you ever swam in a pool and your eyes began to sting and turn red, you felt the effects on an incorrect pH level. pH measures the concentration of hydronium ions and can be modeled by the function p(t) = −log10t. The variable t represents the amount of hydronium ions; p(t) gives the resulting pH level. Water at 25 degrees Celsius has a pH of 7. Anything that has a pH less than 7 is called acidic, a pH above 7 is basic, or alkaline. Seawater has a pH just more than 8, whereas lemonade has a pH of approximately 3.

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

right. \[pH= -\log_{10}(t) \] can you graph that?

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

I can with technology

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

ok, that appears to be allowed here...

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

just a moment

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

Sorry, I tried 2 different softwares and they didnt work. I dont have a graphing calculator either

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

well, maybe we don't need to turn in a graph for the answer. it just asks you to locate those points where pH = 1 and pH = 0

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

I believe you are right, i read over it and it just asks to locate where the points where its 0 and 1

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

Can you determine the corresponding values of \(t\)?

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

No, to be honest. Im going ahead so i can get my collaboration done for virtual school so i am not to great with this section.

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

If you want to stop helping me, I understand.

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

Well, \[pH = -\log_{10}(t)\]\[1 = -\log_{10} (t)\]\[-1 = \log_{10}(t)\]That means that \(t\) has value \(t=10^{-1}\) because the \(\log_{10}(t) = -1\)

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

Ok I understand decently now

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

and similarly \[0 = -\log_{10}(t)\]\[0 = \log_{10}(t)\]\[t=1\]because \(\log_{10}(1) = 0\)

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

I found some graphs for you to look at: http://www.tiem.utk.edu/~gross/bioed/webmodules/phgraph1.gif http://www.tiem.utk.edu/~gross/bioed/webmodules/phgraph2.gif The first is what you get if you try to make a "straight" plot of pH vs. \(t\). Not very useful, but you can see why the problem suggests you might need to zoom in. The second is a logarithmic plot, and much more useful. You can actually see stuff :-)

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

Thank you, so would i graph, \[\log_{10} (1) \] and \[\log_{10} (0)\] ?

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

brb sorry

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

back

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

im going to be honest, idk what to graph

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

I probably sound retarded but i just cant grasp what to do.

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

your graph would be pH vs. concentration. value of pH will be -Log10 (concentration). Look at the first link I gave you; that's the graph right there, except it doesn't go quite to a pH of 0 plot -Log(x) for x from 0 to 1

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

Here's a graph:

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

I got (1,0) and its hard to find 0

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

In both of our graphs, it looks like 0 is going to infinity

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

because im not understanding and i feel like im wasting your time

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

this graph here is just showing a small portion of the curve. pH = 0 is the spot at the bottom right where the concentration is 1.0. The concentration is 100%. 1 mole of H+ ions per liter of water. pH = 1 is the spot near the left where the concentration is 0.1, as shown by the intersecting grid lines in the attached graph.

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

that's a concentration of 0.1 moles per liter of water

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

So would the coordinate be (0,1)?

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

My internet is laggy so that's why I just saw this reply

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

The website won't load, so I have to look at it from my phon

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

I restarted my computer and the website still won't load.

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

@Hero

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

@phi

OpenStudy (whpalmer4):

The coordinate marked off by the grid lines is (0.1, 1)

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

ok, would i switch them though? it seems like the graph is opposite of a normal graph, thats why

OpenStudy (phi):

How far did you get ?

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

not to far, im incompetent with this so heads up if you want to spend a while helping me

OpenStudy (phi):

for a quick start, try this site: https://www.desmos.com/calculator and type in y= -log(x)

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

ok

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

i did it

OpenStudy (phi):

can you post a screen shot ?

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

yes

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

OpenStudy (phi):

to find where the pH is 0 , you want the x value where y is zero (y is the pH in this graph) put your finger on the y-axis and find the y=0 (it's where the x and y axes cross) move sideways until you reach the curve. can you read off how far along the x-axis you are?

OpenStudy (phi):

If you can "zoom in", it will probably relabel the x-axis with more numbers

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

hold on sorry, i almost blew up my kitchen

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

im back

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

sorry

OpenStudy (phi):

find where the pH is 0 , you want the x value where y is zero (y is the pH in this graph) put your finger on the y-axis and find the y=0 (it's where the x and y axes cross) move sideways until you reach the curve. can you read off how far along the x-axis you are?

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

1

OpenStudy (phi):

ok , you just did Locate on your graph where the pH value is 0 you found when t = 1 (we use x because the software uses x and y) but I think the formula uses pH and t

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

ok, yes, is that it?

OpenStudy (phi):

they also want where the pH is 1 put you finger on the y-axis, and move up until you are at y=1 now move sideways until you reach the curve. How far over did you move i.e. what x value?

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

0.1

OpenStudy (phi):

so the answer to where is the pH 1 is t=0.1

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

ok, how should i put that in words? When the pH value is 0, the there is 1 hydronium ion and when the pH value is 1 there is 0.1 hydronium ions.

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

It sounds right to me

OpenStudy (phi):

I know it has something to do with the concentration H ions, but not the details I would guess it is the number of ions per some volume?

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

I'm reading it, and it makes sense( what i said)

OpenStudy (dukelaxfan):

Do you mind helping me with the second part tomorrow? I have some other stuff to do, and i have to eat

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