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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

http://assets.openstudy.com/updates/attachments/569e002de4b0b1fe89e089f2-ganeshie8-1453195319943-zz.png Answer given is 0.6 uN

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

By symmetry, I thought that the net force is 0. But the textbook says otherwise..

OpenStudy (vincent-lyon.fr):

That's correct. The vertical component of the field yields symmetric forces that cancel out. But the radial ones add up to give an upward force of \(2\pi a.i.B\sin \theta\)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

that does match with the answer http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=2*pi*1.8%2F100*4.6%2F1000*3.4%2F1000*sin%2820%29

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

But why \(\mu \times B\) is giving a different answer ? thank you :)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Oh that is for torque experienced by the loop, gotcha !

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Then, i guess, the ring experiences both torque and a net force upward

OpenStudy (vincent-lyon.fr):

Yes, that's correct! Torque is zero since B is symmetrical about the axis. There is only the upward net force.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

I see... but the ring is in MAX potential energy state right ? so if my interpretation is correct, if I slightly tilt the ring, the ring then experiences a torque and rotates by 180 degrees ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\(B\) and \(\mu\) are almost 180 degrees out of phase in the given diagram..

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

here is my reasoning: I write the differential force as below: \[d{\mathbf{F}} = \frac{i}{c}d{\mathbf{s}} \times {\mathbf{B}}\] now, I decompose the field as below: \[{\mathbf{B}} = {B_z}{\mathbf{z}} + {B_r}{\mathbf{r}}\] so, after a substitution, I get: \[\begin{gathered} d{\mathbf{F}} = \frac{i}{c}d{\mathbf{s}} \times \left( {{B_z}{\mathbf{z}} + {B_r}{\mathbf{r}}} \right) = \hfill \\ \hfill \\ = \frac{i}{c}d{\mathbf{s}} \times {B_z}{\mathbf{z}} + \frac{i}{c}d{\mathbf{s}} \times {B_r}{\mathbf{r}} \hfill \\ \end{gathered} \]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

and the torque here acts to align \(B\) and \(\mu\) I guess

OpenStudy (vincent-lyon.fr):

Correct, it means torque is zero, but any slight rotation will create a non zero torque that will increase and flip the ring upside down. It is an unstable state of rotational equilibrium.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Thanks! I guess I am finally getting these :)

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

now, the first term has a contribute equal to zero, after integration, whereas the contribute of the scond term is: \[F = \frac{{2\pi ia}}{c}B\sin 20\] after integration

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

I have used the CGS system of units of measures

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

namely, \(c\) is the speed of light

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Oh, I see... it is equivalent to \(dF = i dL\times B\) right ?

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

yes!

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

then you're integrating over the circumference of the ring, nice !

OpenStudy (vincent-lyon.fr):

Yes, that's the starting point.

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

yes! Since I have integrate on the differential element \[d{\mathbf{s}}\]

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

integrated*

OpenStudy (michele_laino):

the resultant force is vertically directed, upward or downward depending on the orientation of the current

OpenStudy (farcher):

Don't you just apply F = BIL and then take the appropriate component sin(20)? So it is B x I x 2 x pi x r x sin(20) = 6.05 x 10^(-7) N

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