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OpenStudy (matlee):

Need pre-calculus help will give owlbucks

OpenStudy (matlee):

Let A (2, -1,) B (3, 1,) C (-4, 2,) and D (1, -5). Find the component form and magnitude of the vector. ---- ---- CD - AB?

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

hmmm I assume you mean \(\bf C\cdot D-A\cdot B\impliedby \textit{as in dot product}\)

OpenStudy (matlee):

No they have line segments above them. and for CD I GOT -4,10 and AB I got 6,-1

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

hmm ohh hmm

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

\(\bf \overline{CD}-\overline{AB}\) right?

myininaya (myininaya):

maybe A,B,C,D are points given and we want to find the standard form for both vectors CD and AB. and then find the difference

OpenStudy (matlee):

Sorry i was doing something and yes thats right

OpenStudy (matlee):

i will take a screen shot

OpenStudy (matlee):

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

hmm have you done 8 and 9 yet? so I assume you've got those values already? I mean, 10 is the same pretty much :)

myininaya (myininaya):

\[\text{ a vector with initial point } (a,b) \text{ and terminal point } (x,y) \text{ has standard form } \\ (x-a,y-b)\]

OpenStudy (matlee):

No, i have not I just chose one of the hardest ones that look hardest so i didn't do the addition ones just did the subtraction one

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

heheh anyhow... notice above @myininaya 's line to get teh vector component form from the given points

OpenStudy (matlee):

ok so i n ab and xy i would enter CD and AB?

OpenStudy (matlee):

Yes

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

so... CD will be (-4, 2) and (1, -5) thus < 1-(-4) , -5 - 2 >

OpenStudy (matlee):

oh thats it ?

myininaya (myininaya):

that isn't the final answer if that is what you mean

OpenStudy (matlee):

so i would need this formula

myininaya (myininaya):

yes you do that same thing for other vector in your difference

OpenStudy (matlee):

Oh ok i expected more

OpenStudy (matlee):

i mean i do expect more

myininaya (myininaya):

also I guess to be less confusing we could have used < > instead of ( ) for our vector notation thing

OpenStudy (matlee):

so 5 and -7?

myininaya (myininaya):

oops but @jdoe0001 did that :p

OpenStudy (jdoe0001):

for the vector component form, yes and you'd do the same with AB 2, -1 and 3, 1 thus AB wiill be < 3-2, 1-(-1) > notice, you have \(\bf \overline{CD}-\overline{AB}\implies <CD>-<AB>\) which is pretty much, just an addition

OpenStudy (matlee):

oh so this is almsot like dot product but for each line segment

OpenStudy (matlee):

Ok so these two would be the component form <5,-7>VECTOR and <1,1> INITIAL points?

myininaya (myininaya):

be careful 1-(-1) is 1+1 which is 2 not 1

OpenStudy (matlee):

o crap that got me

myininaya (myininaya):

and then to do something like <m,n>-<r,s> = <m-r,n-s>

OpenStudy (matlee):

thanks

myininaya (myininaya):

so <5,-7>-<1,2> = ?

OpenStudy (matlee):

4,-8

OpenStudy (matlee):

o wait

myininaya (myininaya):

your first component is right

myininaya (myininaya):

your second one needs work

OpenStudy (matlee):

-9?

myininaya (myininaya):

yes <4,-9> is right if there wasn't some arithmetic error I made or I missed

OpenStudy (matlee):

i will most check this again cus i have test tommorow and am studying , but kinda learning at the same time

OpenStudy (matlee):

i apprieciate your help, so this is just the componenet vector?

OpenStudy (matlee):

wait i can review it

OpenStudy (matlee):

C(-4,2) D (1,-5) (X-A,Y-B)

myininaya (myininaya):

yes or you could write it as 4i-9j

OpenStudy (matlee):

(-4-1, 2--5) (-5,7)

myininaya (myininaya):

where i and j are unit vectors i=<1,0> j=<0,1>

OpenStudy (matlee):

Ok i think its right, so how will i find magnitude , would i have to find the component vector first

OpenStudy (matlee):

Oh ok, so this I and J this is the terminal point or initial point?

myininaya (myininaya):

\[v=ai+bj \\ \text{ had maginitude } \sqrt{(a)^2+(b)^2} \text{ which is denoted } |v| \\ \text{ I put ( ) around the } i \text{ and } j \text{ component } \\ \text{ because most people don't square the whole thing when there is a negative } \\ \text{ it normally is written } \sqrt{a^2+b^2}\]

OpenStudy (matlee):

oh ok

myininaya (myininaya):

so for example if you have v=-i+2j then |v|=sqrt((-1)^2+2^2)=sqrt(1+4)=sqrt(5) and another example if you have v=3i-j then |v|=sqrt(3^2+(-1)^2)=sqrt(9+1)=sqrt(10)

myininaya (myininaya):

i and j are unit vectors

OpenStudy (matlee):

Wait it did not convert to symbols for me i have to refresh

myininaya (myininaya):

I didn't use pretty symbols

OpenStudy (matlee):

Oh ok just making sure

myininaya (myininaya):

sqrt( ) just means principal square root in thise case

OpenStudy (matlee):

I know just sometimes my openstudy glitches but i can write them down

myininaya (myininaya):

\[v=-i+2j \implies |v|=\sqrt{(-1)^2+2^2}=\sqrt{1+4}=\sqrt{5} \\ v'=3i-j \implies |v'|=\sqrt{3^2+(-1)^2}=\sqrt{9+1}=\sqrt{10}\]

myininaya (myininaya):

those were the two examples I used above

OpenStudy (matlee):

Oh ok thanks

myininaya (myininaya):

i went ahead and renamed the other vector v' instead of v

myininaya (myininaya):

I don't like two different vectors having the same name :p

OpenStudy (matlee):

Lol thats fine! Ive met you before your very good on mathematics especially on unique sets

OpenStudy (matlee):

So i would do this to the unit vectors i got before which were 4 and -9

OpenStudy (matlee):

?

myininaya (myininaya):

you can write it as <4,-9> or 4i-9j but the form they are looking for is <4,-9>

OpenStudy (matlee):

Ok i got sqrt65

myininaya (myininaya):

and remember i and j are just unit vectors i=<1,0> and j=<0,1> always! 4i-9j 4<1,0>-9<0,1> <4,0>+<0,-9> <4,-9> the forms are equivalent though as shown here

OpenStudy (matlee):

Im sorry Myinana but i must go i have to go eat, i will be back and hoepfully youll be back!

myininaya (myininaya):

\[|<4,-9>|=\sqrt{4^2+(-9)^2}=\sqrt{16+81}=...\]

OpenStudy (matlee):

O sorry 97 ill be back

myininaya (myininaya):

k sqrt(97) and okay p.s. it looks like you didn't square both of components fully as I was talking about earlier don't miss squaring the negative part of the component

myininaya (myininaya):

see ya later

OpenStudy (matlee):

?

OpenStudy (matlee):

Hi

myininaya (myininaya):

hi

OpenStudy (matlee):

Ok sorry so Sqrt-97 did i miss something

myininaya (myininaya):

why you insert a negative

OpenStudy (matlee):

sorry i meant it as atachment

OpenStudy (matlee):

Sqrt97

OpenStudy (matlee):

\[\sqrt97\]

myininaya (myininaya):

sqrt(97) is correct where as sqrt(65) incorrect the note earlier was refering to... what it appeared that you did it appeared you did sqrt(-9^2+4^2) instead of sqrt((-9)^2+4^2)

OpenStudy (matlee):

Yes

OpenStudy (matlee):

This is the magnitude?

myininaya (myininaya):

yep

OpenStudy (matlee):

Wow thank you!

myininaya (myininaya):

the magnitude is usually denoted as |vector goes here|

myininaya (myininaya):

\[v=ai+bj \\ \text{ has magnitude } |v|=\sqrt{a^2+b^2}\]

OpenStudy (matlee):

Wait im sorry Myin what do i put when it says terminal point: and then Initial point: is that part of this problem? or is that the I , J you were talking about

myininaya (myininaya):

if you want to find the vector in standard form (position) and you are given the initial point of the vector is (a,b) and the terminal point (x,y) then the vector in standard position is <x-a,y-b>

myininaya (myininaya):

i and j are unit vectors

myininaya (myininaya):

i is the vector <1,0> where as j is the vector <0,1>

myininaya (myininaya):

another way to write ai+bj is <a,b> these two forms are equivlanet ai+bj a<1,0>+b<0,1> <a,0>+<0,b> <a,b>

OpenStudy (matlee):

Oh ok thank you

OpenStudy (matlee):

I have sent you owlbucks

myininaya (myininaya):

awww thanks you didn't have too i would have helped anyways but thank you kindly

OpenStudy (matlee):

Have a good night i guess, i will be making a new question if you are interested!

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