A particular telephone number is used to receive both voice calls and fax messages. Suppose that 25% of the incoming calls involve fax messages, and consider a sample of 25 incoming calls. (Round your answers to three decimal places.) (a) What is the probability that at most 4 of the calls involve a fax message? (b) What is the probability that exactly 4 of the calls involve a fax message? (c) What is the probability that at least 4 of the calls involve a fax message? (d) What is the probability that more than 4 of the calls involve a fax message?
@mathmale
I was up until midnight trying to figure out c and d. I got answers, but I am not understanding something I will show you when you get here
okay so for part a...
Hello! Am I correct in assuming that this is binomial probability? If so, what is n? p?
give me a sec. I know I am suppose to use the binomial distribution but I don't want to worry about that now. Let me upload a pic
So does P(X=4) = P(X<=4) - P(<=3) is this a true statement?
I agree with your approach to Problem 11a. Before I answer your question: do you have a TI-83 or -84 calculator on hand?
I have a TI-89 on hand
I don't have an 83 or 84 just an 89.
I got that answer from previous work. You want to see?
Fancy, fancy. In my old (retired) age I have only a TI-83 to my name. But your TI-89 will surely calculate binomial probabilities. May i assume you've used it for that purpose before? No, your Problem 11a answer is clear, correct and appropriate.
calculator will do both the binomial cumulative probability and the probability of ONE particular x value.
Yes, I was shown from another tutor how to use nCy(y,n) command.
when you say cumulative you mean continuous?
my calc has these 2 commands that are relevant here: binompdf and binomcdf. You familiar with both?
Here is my work for 11a
cumulative =?= continuous? No.
cumulative and density? I have the formulas. I can do by hand. I don't know yet. I have not looked at solving these in my calculator. For parts C and D you can use a table in the back of the text. Lets move on to part b, c, and d
First, I'd like to test y ou. If n=25, p=0.25 and x=3, what is p(x)?
got PX=3) = 0.06410
P(X=3)
Looks OK, but I want to check; hold just a few sec, please.
Good. You've got it.
Just a sec, please
I am skipping (a) and starting with (b) at your request, OK? (b) What is the probability that exactly 4 of the calls involve a fax message? Find binompdf(25,.25,4), please.
This applies to "exactly 4."
P(X=4) = 0.11756
great. Part (b) done.
Explain in your own words what "(c) What is the probability that at least 4 of the calls involve a fax message?" means. Could you give an example?
P(X>=4)
um... thinking
are we looking above 4 so looking at 5,6,7,8,9,10,..... 25
In this case, no. "at least 4" includes 4, as well as all the other integers up to and including 25.
"at least 4" has a diff meaning than "above 4."
most and least are the two I get confused with the most.
least is implying we are looking at 4 and below?
No, "4 or greater, up to and possibily including 25."
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0 ice cream cones would be a deal breaker. 1 cone would be OK (minimally acceptable) 2 cones would be great.
this is implying X<=4 we are looking at random variable X above starting with 4.... so 4,5,6,7,8.... 25
Exactly. Rather than calculate the probabilities for 4 through 25, we could calculate the probs P(x=0), P(x=1), etc., up thru P(x=3). That's 4 calculations. Or, y ou could find the cumulative probability for 0 thru 3 calls. Know how to do that on your TI-89?
I get 0.09621. Most imp't is that you know how to use binompdf( ) and binomcdf( ).
I said above... Lol you just implied below 0,1,2,3
Nope, I've implied the prob. that you'd get 0, 1, 2 or 3 calls. I got 0.09621, which y ou should have gotten also. Now subtract this result from 1, please tell me your result, and please explain why we're subtracting here.
P(X>=4) = 1 - P(X=0) + P(X=1) + P(X=2) + P(X=3)
^^ I don't get this statement. We are subtracting the 1 because it's the complement. it represnts the 100%
Actually, friend, that'd be 1-(P(X=0) + P(X=1) + P(X=2) + P(X=3))
yes...
Yes. you want the prob. of "at least 4." That covers most of the cases we're looking at, right? meaning that this prob is close to 1. We cheat a bit, start with 1, and then subtr. P(3 or fewer). Result is the prob. you wanted, that of 4 or more calls.
can you draw this?
1 => all cases .09 something => P(fewer than 4) (1-0.09 something) => P (4 or more calls are fax calls)
I've cheated again by drawing this verbally.
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