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OpenStudy (greatlife44):

Need some help

OpenStudy (greatlife44):

Suppose a car is moving clockwise along the circle 𝑥2 + (𝑦 − 1)2 = 1 and that a person is located at the point (0, −1). If the y-coordinate of the car is changing at the rate of −10 𝑚/𝑠 when the car is at (1, 1), find the rate at which the distance between the car and the person is changing at that time.

OpenStudy (anonymous):

so what are you finding?

OpenStudy (greatlife44):

Not really sure i was thinking of doing implicit differentiation this has to do with a related rates problem. \[\frac{ d }{ dx }x^{2}+\frac{ d }{ dx }(y-1)^{2} = 1*(\frac{ d }{ dx })\] \[2x+ \frac{ dy }{ dx }(y^{2}-2y+1) = 2y - 2 = 0 \] \[2x+(2y-2)(\frac{ dy }{ dx }) = 0\] \[-2x = (2y-2)\frac{ dy }{ dx }\] \[\frac{ -2x }{ 2y-2 } = \frac{ -2x }{ 2(y-1) } = \frac{ dy }{ dx }\] \[\frac{ dy }{ dx } = \frac{ -x }{ (y-1) }\]

OpenStudy (greatlife44):

\[\frac{ dy }{ dt } = -10m/s, \frac{ dy }{ dx } = \frac{ -x }{ (y-1) }\] I'm assuming that we have to find dx/dt \[\frac{ dx }{ dt } = \frac{ \frac{ dy }{ dt }*dx~dt }{ \frac{ dy }{ dx }*dx~dt }\] \[\frac{ dx }{ dt } = \frac{ -10 }{ (\frac{ -x }{ y-1 }) } = \frac{ 10(y-1) }{ x }\] \[\frac{ dx }{ dt } = \frac{ 10(y-1) }{ x } |_{1,1} = ?\] something isn't right I got 0.

OpenStudy (greatlife44):

Don't know why this is wrong

OpenStudy (greatlife44):

my book is telling me to use the distance formula

OpenStudy (welshfella):

yes the distance formula d = sqrt ( y2 - y1)^2 + (x2 - x1)^2 we need to substitute in that

OpenStudy (welshfella):

i'm trying to figure this out. These type of problems are not my strong point I'm afraid.

OpenStudy (greatlife44):

That's what the answer said but i'm a little lost on that. \[d = \sqrt{(x_{2}-x_{1})^{2}+(y_{2}-y_{1})^{2}}\] so we would substitute this into the equation in the bottom? \[x^{2}+(y-1)^{2} = 1 \]

OpenStudy (welshfella):

now would x1 and x2 be the point be 0 and -1 ( where the person is standing?

OpenStudy (greatlife44):

well I think the person would be at (0,-1) assuming that he is stationary and the car is at (1,1)

OpenStudy (welshfella):

hmmm.. I#m confused to be honest

OpenStudy (greatlife44):

@welshfella like apparently what I did above to find dx/dt = 0 above is right. but it was only part of the problem.

OpenStudy (greatlife44):

The answer involved taking the derivative of the distance formula and then plugging everything in.. \[d/dt \sqrt{(x_{2}-x_{1})^{2}+(y_{2}-y_{1})^{2}}\]

OpenStudy (greatlife44):

I'll ask the prof.. about this...but thank you for helping. me

OpenStudy (welshfella):

ok - well i wasn't much help!! I can do the easier related rate problems but this oen beats me at the moment.

OpenStudy (greatlife44):

i'm confused about this too.

OpenStudy (welshfella):

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