Help? Will fan and medal? Can someone help me with these five problems, or at least the first one to help explain how to do these? For questions 1-5 label the equation as (a) an identity or (b) not an identity. 1. sin^2 x + cos^2 x = 1. (I think this is a not sure.) 2. sin x + cos x = 1 (is this not one? so b?) 3. sec x + csc x = 1 (I'm not sure) 4. cot^2 x = 1/tan^2 x (unsure..) 5. csc^2 x -1 = cot^2 x (Unsure..) If someone can help I'd really appreciate it.
1) is definitely true, it is the mother of all trig identities
2) is definitely not an identity you can check by plugging in some number for x and see that you don't get 1
@satellite73 would you mind explaining how that is proven? can you plug in a variable to get the answers?
i think i can
Okay! Thank you SO MUCH.
if you plug in a number and don't get the answer, then it is surely not an identity an identity means it is true for all x
proving that it is an identity is a totally different story though
As in?
are you used to working with degree, or radians?
A little
i meant which ones do you use usually? \[\sin(\frac{\pi}{4}\]or \[\sin(45^\circ)\]
She has had us work with both, actually. I am just not a genius in it as I am in my advance algebra. Haha
ok well then lets just say if you plug in a number (don't use 0 or 180) and you don't get the answer, then it is not an identity
now how about \[\cot^2(x)=\frac{1}{\tan^2(x)}\]
do you know the definition of cotangent?
not precisely.. all I know is it is A/O.
ok that will work
and tangent, to use your language, would be O/A
I remember that from SOA CAH TOA AH.
i.e. cotangent is the reciprocal of tangent, and vice versa
That's the only way I have survived trig up to this point. I really don't like trig. And okay, gotcha!
A simple algebraic example of an identity would be 4x + 10x = 14x. No matter what number you chose for x the LHS = RHS
so \[\cot^2(x)=\frac{1}{\tan^2(x)}\] is just like saying \[\left(\frac{1}{z}\right)^2=\frac{1}{z^2}\] which is ture
*true
I assume "z" is the varriable you used for cot and tan
yes i was using z for tangent
Okay. It is basically showing that since tan is recipcrical to cot, that ratio you shows represents the fucntion between cot and tan, so that statement is then true. if that made sense.
to write it all out, \[\cos^2(x)=\left(\frac{1}{\tan(x)}\right)^2=\frac{1}{\tan^2(x)}\]
yes, what you said
Okay, I got you. Now what if there was no squared variables, would it still apply since cot is always equal to the recip of tan?
i made a typo there, i meant cotangent, not cosine
yes, tangent is the reciprocal of cotangent
let me tell you what you should know besides " SOA CAH TOA"
you should know that \[\tan(x)=\frac{\sin(x)}{\cos(x)}\] and \[\csc(x)=\frac{1}{\sin(x)}\] and \[\sec(x)=\frac{1}{\cos(x)}\]
Without having to think
using those identities, and \[\cos^2(x)+\sin^2(x)=1\] and algebra, you can solve most trig identities
yes, without thinking just know them
ready to tackle the last one?
I need to put them on index cards.
Review them daily^
Yes I am. If I reply slow, it's ebcause OS is running slow for me now.
i just sent you a decent cheat sheet, but yes, you should write them down yourself so you will know them
yeah slow for me too, no problem
Thank you for the sheet!
yw let me know when you are ready for the last one
\[\csc^{2}x-1=\cot^{2}x\]
ok math teacher love this stuff this is where you start, with the mother of all identities,the first one \[\cos^2(x)+\sin^2(x)=1\]
you don't have that, but you do have cosecant and cotangent do you remember what cosecant is? i wrote it above
you mean H/O or recip of sin?
second one the reciprocal of sine
Okay.
so starting with \[\cos^2(x)+\sin^2(x)=1\] how to you get \(\csc(x)\)? answer: divide everything by \(\sin(x)\) that way \(\csc(x)\) will turn up on the right
so it would be cos(x)/sin(x)
Or am I wrong
\[\cos^2(x)+\sin^2(x)=1\\ \frac{\cos^2(x)}{\sin^2(x)}+\frac{\sin^2(x)}{\sin^2(x)}=\frac{1}{\sin^2(x)}\]
i made a mistake, i should have said divide all by \(\sin^2(x)\)
now you have almost exactly what you want
\[\frac{1}{\sin^2(x)}=\csc^2(x)\] on the right
evidently \[\frac{\sin^2(x)}{\sin^2(x)}=1\]
that comes from csc=1/sin correct? for the above? jsut to make sure
yes what about \[\frac{\cos^2(x)}{\sin^2(x)}\] what is that ?
well.. cos/sin = cot, right? so cot^2(x)?
zactly
Wow. I actually got that..
so you have \[\cot^2(x)+1=\csc^2(x)\]
yes, you did !
With your expert guidance of course.
Can you think of any values that x can not have?
you get from \[\cot^2(x)+1=\csc^2(x)\]to \[\csc^{2}x-1=\cot^{2}x\] using elementary algebra
Okay.
aka add 1 to both sides
ok not really, subtract 1 from both sides
I was gonna say you subtracted.
Dont lose me now! xD
lol we are done in any case
now i have a question: what the monkey is a "turkey committee"?
Haha, I think you have asked me before, I am almost positive. xD I am in 4-H and we show poultry, turkeys being one of the birds. There is committees that help run and function each species, including turkeys. I am part of the committee that helps assist other kids showing the project, taking care, being the advisor, etc.
I basically am like, co-boss.
actually you are right , i remember now
ok good luck with the trig, i am off to watch perry mason
Haha, okay, thank you so much for your help. You are my hero tonight.
yw, my pleasure to help someone who is willing to help themselves
:) Take care!
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