Calculus Integration Help please!
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The answer that I got to #1 part A was 20 mph or 0.333 m/min. For part B I got 6:10. For part c I got 0.333 m/min.
@mathmale
Happy to see you back. Generally, I like to see the actual work done by others before commenting on their results. Since you use the word "integration," I assume you're approximating integration by using the trapezoidal rule (or a version thereof) to calculate the area under the curve formed by the trapezoids in question and then dividing by the equivalent of "40 minutes" in "hours." Are any or all of these assumptions correct?
Yes I am using the trapezoid rule, and the review is that applications of integrals would you like me to post what led me to the answers that I provided?
Only if you're really unsure of your results. What average speed did you arrive at in Part A?
I got 20 mph
as the average speed
I've done some quick calcs using the Trap Rule and have obtained an ave. speed of 21 2/3 mph. Did you use the Trap Rule in Part A?
First I found the average of all those values then I tried again using the trap rule, they both were about 20 so I figured that was the true value
turns out that I made a simple arithmetic mistake, so you'll need to disregard my 21 2/3. My gut feeling is that you really need to find the "area under the curve" between 6:00 and 6:40 a.m., and then divide the result by 40 minutes, to obtain the average. Don't accept what I say here unless it makes sense to you. Note that the Trap Rule is numeric approximation, not calculus.
The average value of a function is (area under the curve between a and b) / width of interval (b-a).
I'd definitely use the Trap Rule myself, but there are other methods as well. You could use the midpoint rule, for example.
\[\int\limits_{0}^{40}v(t)dx\]
Is that correct?
Yes, that's what we're trying to approximate...the actual area under the "speed" curve. But you don't have a function of time here; all you have are a bunch of evenly spaced speed values. That dictates using 1) Trap Rule, or 2) Midpoint Rule or (3) Simpson's Rule. All are used for approximating areas under a curve between limits a and b.
\[\frac{ 17+20+22+21+17 }{ 5 }\]?
= 19.4
Looking for an appropriate way to phrase this: your result is a simple average, not a technique for approximating the area under a curve. No matter which method you use, yours, or the Trap Rule, or the Midpoint Rule, or Simpson's Method, you're going to get a slightly different result. My preference would be that you choose and use one of the latter 3 rules, but if you'd like to stick with your 19.4, then estimate at what time or times the speed of the boat is 19.4 mph.
okay ill use the trap rule
Yes, you'd be safer doing that. Note that the problem statement clearly specifies that you "use trapezoids."
Using that I get 20 mph
so the average speed is reached at 6:10
I haven't actually tried graphing this situation myself, so can't vouch for your result. Did you mean to say that you've obtained just one result, and are stopping there, or is there another time at which the speed is = to or close to the average speed?
Also at 6:30
Yes, I did expect there'd be 2 diff times at which the actual speed was near to the ave. speed.
How would you attack Part C?
for c after 40 minutes wouldn't it have traveled 20 miles
oh wait it would be less than that
Again, I'd much appreciate your sharing your work and the reasoning behind it.
distance = (average speed) * (elapsed time)
40 minutes = (2/3) hour
\[d=20*2/3?\]
Assuming that you believe your average speed is 20 mph, then yes, (20 mph) * (2/3 hr) is the approx. distance.
okay so 13.333
Think: how could you make this response a bit more sensible? What does 13.3 measure? Does an approximation warrant 3 decimal place accuracy?
The distance traveled by the bottle is 13.3 miles.
Better. Or, "approx. 13 miles."
I there a formula or something for average acceleration, or is that the derivative of the velocity function?
Acceleration is definitely the derivative of the velocity function (which we don't have). If velocity increases over a given time interval, the acc'n is pos.; if decreases, neg. I'm not so confident about answering this question.
okay
The data given you definitely does show changes in the velocity. You could focus on the CHANGES in the velocity, dividing them by time. I'd have to spend more time thinking about this before deciding what units time should have in this case: minutes? Hours? seconds?
With that said, would you mind focusing on the next couple of problems and letting me know if you have any questions? If at all possible, please graph this new situation and share your graph with me.
\[\frac{ \Delta v }{ \Delta t }\] is this a way of solving it?
Yes, that's an approx. approach; a more exact approach would be the 2nd derivative, but we don't have any specific function to differentiate.
Oh okay
Thank you for the help sir I have to go help paint at my church soon so I have to go
What a kind and thoughtful thing to do. Have a great day. See you again.
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