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OpenStudy (darkigloo):

Calculus improper integral....

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

\[\int\limits_{1}^{\infty} \frac{ 1 }{ x ^{p}} dx \] where x is a positive real number how do i find if it converges and its value or diverges

OpenStudy (photon336):

@Kainui

OpenStudy (kainui):

Do you mean p is a positive real number?

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

yes

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

whats stopping you from evaluating the integral ?

OpenStudy (kainui):

Well, we can evaluate it exactly if you watch out for when p=1

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

i know it converges if p>1 and diverges if p<=1 but i don't know why

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

what would the first step be?

OpenStudy (kainui):

maybe write it like this: \[\int_0^\infty x^{-p}dx\]

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

if the limit when x approaches infinity equals 0, then it converges right?

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

Treat p like a constant

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

So do the power rule in reverse to integrate

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

add 1 to p then divide ...

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

\[\int\limits x ^{-p}dx \rightarrow \frac{ x ^{1-p} }{ 1-p}+c\]

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

Just evaluate the integral.

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

Given it's limits

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

\[[\frac{ \infty^{1-p} }{ 1-p }] - [\frac{ 1^{1-p} }{ 1-p }]\]

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

What is that equivalent to for any positive real value p?

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

\[\infty - \frac{ 1 }{ (1-p)^{1-p} }\] i dont know :(

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

Well at p=1 you have you're dealing with undefined terms can't divide by zero if p is less then 1 more than zero or more than 1 The first term is some function of infinity second term is a real number

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

some function of infinity minus a real number is the solution

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

What do you know about convergent series and the rules for them regarding integrals?

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

no

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

What do we know?

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

i havent learned that

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

what do you mean by convergent series?

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

Your integral can be rewritten:

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

\[\zeta(x)=\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(1/n^x)\]

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

This the Reimann-zeta function. Zeta of x is the the sum of 1 over n to power of x.

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

ok

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

im sorry, im not sure what to do

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

Have you learned about the p-series?

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

nope

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

Ok, I found it.. Your integral is equal to\[\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}(\frac{ 1 }{ n })^{c}\]

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

That can recognized as a geometric series whose base is less than 1 absolutely therefore the sum is convergent and thus the integral is also convergent

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

oh ok. so thats a rule?

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

That's a property of geometric series.

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

And the second part is a property of the integral test.

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

Also you may recognize that the limit of the function involved is zero as x approaches infinity, which is another thing unique to convergent series.

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

how is the limit zero?

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

\[\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}\left( \frac{ 1 }{ x } \right)^{n}\] and \[\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty } (\lim_{n \rightarrow \infty}(1/n)^{x})=0\]

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

ah ok. so now i evaluate that integral?

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

i still dont know how to evaluate \[\frac{ x ^{1-p} }{ 1-p}\]from 1 to infinity

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

what is going from 1 to infinity?

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

\[\int\limits_{1}^{\infty} \frac{ 1 }{ x ^{p} }dx = \frac{ x ^{1-p} }{ 1-p } [1,\infty]\]

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

it depends on your p value..

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

p>1 then it converges p< or = 1 then it diverges (p series properties)

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

so if p>1, how can i evaluate it?

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

By first rewriting it as a geometric series

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

\[\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}ar ^{n-1}=(\frac{ a }{ 1-r }) \] when 0<r<1

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

You say that p is more than 1 but is p a constant or a variable?

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

p is a constant

OpenStudy (daniel.ohearn1):

Call n-1 your p r will always be less than 1 in absolute value right?

OpenStudy (darkigloo):

yes

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