Calculus
hey
which question are you having trouble with?
#21
@welshfella @freckles
yes I see you have posted 21 but there are 4 questions there are you saying you need help on all of them?
yep
are you having trouble finding when the fraction y/(2x) is undefined ?
For A I think it is x because it is the denominator via the hint we are given. when x=0
right y/(2x) is undefined when x=0
hint for b lines are parallel when their slopes are the same (different y-intercept of course)
what is the slope of the line that is on the x-axis ?
ok so lines are parallel when their slopes are equal i know that.... which line though? Graph the function given?
the one that is the x-axis
hint: what is the slope of any horizontal line....
0
right so the slope of the line that is known as the x-axis is 0
aka the slope of y=0 is 0
anyways find when y/(2x) is 0
well when y=0
and x can be anything.
ok the 3rd question is just pluggin in two points
So just plug into the given function?
you do know that dy/dx is the slope of y
they are asking for the slopes at (1,2) and (-1,-2)
they are asking you to evaluated y' at (1,2) and (-1,-2)
well they would be 0 then.
how ?
if we plug in we get 1 and the derivative of that is 0
-2/(2*-1) is 1
right the slope at (-1,-2) is 1 not 0 y/(2x) is only ever 0 when y is 0 provided x is not 0
bu y' is the derivative right so the derivative of the function is 0?? or are we not taking the derivative?
you are already given the derivative aka slope of y...
it is dy/dx
y'=dy/dx
ohhhhhhh so we have the slope of 1 at poth of the points given so the answer is just 1?
yes
gotcha. Ok so part d
but if for some reason you wanted to find the slope of dy/dx that would be d^2y/dx^2 you would find the derivative before plugin in the point you would not plug in the point and then take derivative
can i hear what you think about d
if you really understand what we did in b it shouldn't be too hard
they want the line parallel to the point that has a slope of .5
they want the line that consists of line segments parallel to the line y=0.5x remember lines that are parallel have to same ....
remember lines that are parallel have the same .... *
slope so they have to have a slope of .5
right so what equation are you going to be solving ?
the function that was given y/2x or the y=mx+b ??
you know that dy/dx is the thing that is representing are slope field? the line segments in dy/dx is what we are interested in
ok so use the y=mx+b?
how would you use that?
using the slope of .5 and then finding points that fit it?
dy/dx is the slope of y .5 is the slope of y=0.5x parallel means lines with same slope (different y-intercept)
same means equal
you are wanting to solve dy/dx=.5
right so the slopes of both have to be .5
we could use (1,1)
do you know to find the line such that dy/dx=.5 ?
not exactly just plug and chug...
you are given dy/dx=y/(2x)
right and if we set it equal to .5 we have two variables to solve for.... but if we plug i got 1,1 as a point...
that is a point there are many points in which the line segments will have slope .5 according to your question you should get a line that consists of infinitely many line segments where their slopes are .5
dy/dx=.5 y/(2x)=.5 y=2x(.5) y=x
ohhh i see now... so no matter what the points are since they are the same they will have the same slope ...
so just put y=x?
yes y=x is the line they are looking for
(1,1) is just one point on that line there are many points on that line where the line segment will have slope .5
ok i have another one.
ok i will brb
ok
are you having trouble with both questions?
yeah all of them again
have you ever seen euler's method? it is just a formula
i have seen it.... just confused on how it works. Can you post the formula and tell me how to plug in and such?
\[y_n=y_{n-1}+f(x_{n-1},y_{n-1})(x_{n}-x_{n-1}) \\ \text{ assuming we are giving the point } (x_{n-1},y_{n-1}) \\ \\ \] \[y'=f(x,y) =\frac{y}{x}+1\]
the step side is just that change in x
what they are calling h in the second question
ok
so that yn equation being a... and then how would we approximate for b?
I would probably input (x_(n-1),y_(n-1)) into the function called f(x,y) which in this case is y/x+1 but anyways we are given h=.01 this is the thing you can replace that change of x with I mentioned above start with your initial solution for y which you are given y(1)=0 that is (x0,y0)=(1,0) then use this to try to find y(1.03) this means find the approximately solution y at x=1.03
ok hold up so our h value goes where?
that change of x up there I mentioned
so we are using the equation we were given.... right so where would the change in x fall?
in the formula I mentioned .... \[y_n=y_{n-1}+f(x_{n-1},y_{n-1})(x_{n}-x_{n-1}) \\ \text{ assuming we are giving the point } (x_{n-1},y_{n-1}) \\ \] do you see the factor that contains the change of x?
\[y_n=y_{n-1}+f(x_{n-1},y_{n-1})(h) \\ \text{ assuming we are giving the point } (x_{n-1},y_{n-1}) \\ \\\]
ok so we are using a x value to get the y=1.03? What would be the best way to go about that?
x0=0 -> y0=1 x1=0+.01 -> y1=? x2=0+2(.01) ->y2=? .... keep doing this to you have for some number k xk=1.03
no you are looking for y(1.03) not mean y is 1.03
that is going to take awhile that is 103 steps :p
so that list should have read so you only need 3 steps to get there x0=1 -> y0=0 x1=1+.01 -> y1=? x2=1+2(.01) ->y2=? x3=1+3(.01) ->y3=?
you are using the equation I mentioned earlier where the change in x is .01 aka h is .01
Ok I'm back now sorry it was realllllllly laggy
So we have to go through each step until we get y(1.03)? And we are looking for the x value that makes y(1.03)
@freckles
we are looking for the y value when x is 1.03
use the equation above you are given (x0,y0) use that to find y1 when x1 is x0+1*h
ok so use the equation they gave us not the one we came up with? so just plug in x as 1.03?
no.... you have three steps to get to 1.03 the next x is x1 which is 1.01 since the step size is .01 the first x was x0 which was 1
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