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OpenStudy (thecalchater):

Calculus

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

OpenStudy (freckles):

hey

OpenStudy (freckles):

which question are you having trouble with?

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

#21

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

@welshfella @freckles

OpenStudy (freckles):

yes I see you have posted 21 but there are 4 questions there are you saying you need help on all of them?

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

yep

OpenStudy (freckles):

are you having trouble finding when the fraction y/(2x) is undefined ?

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

For A I think it is x because it is the denominator via the hint we are given. when x=0

OpenStudy (freckles):

right y/(2x) is undefined when x=0

OpenStudy (freckles):

hint for b lines are parallel when their slopes are the same (different y-intercept of course)

OpenStudy (freckles):

what is the slope of the line that is on the x-axis ?

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

ok so lines are parallel when their slopes are equal i know that.... which line though? Graph the function given?

OpenStudy (freckles):

the one that is the x-axis

OpenStudy (freckles):

hint: what is the slope of any horizontal line....

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

0

OpenStudy (freckles):

right so the slope of the line that is known as the x-axis is 0

OpenStudy (freckles):

aka the slope of y=0 is 0

OpenStudy (freckles):

anyways find when y/(2x) is 0

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

well when y=0

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

and x can be anything.

OpenStudy (freckles):

ok the 3rd question is just pluggin in two points

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

So just plug into the given function?

OpenStudy (freckles):

you do know that dy/dx is the slope of y

OpenStudy (freckles):

they are asking for the slopes at (1,2) and (-1,-2)

OpenStudy (freckles):

they are asking you to evaluated y' at (1,2) and (-1,-2)

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

well they would be 0 then.

OpenStudy (freckles):

how ?

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

if we plug in we get 1 and the derivative of that is 0

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

-2/(2*-1) is 1

OpenStudy (freckles):

right the slope at (-1,-2) is 1 not 0 y/(2x) is only ever 0 when y is 0 provided x is not 0

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

bu y' is the derivative right so the derivative of the function is 0?? or are we not taking the derivative?

OpenStudy (freckles):

you are already given the derivative aka slope of y...

OpenStudy (freckles):

it is dy/dx

OpenStudy (freckles):

y'=dy/dx

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

ohhhhhhh so we have the slope of 1 at poth of the points given so the answer is just 1?

OpenStudy (freckles):

yes

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

gotcha. Ok so part d

OpenStudy (freckles):

but if for some reason you wanted to find the slope of dy/dx that would be d^2y/dx^2 you would find the derivative before plugin in the point you would not plug in the point and then take derivative

OpenStudy (freckles):

can i hear what you think about d

OpenStudy (freckles):

if you really understand what we did in b it shouldn't be too hard

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

they want the line parallel to the point that has a slope of .5

OpenStudy (freckles):

they want the line that consists of line segments parallel to the line y=0.5x remember lines that are parallel have to same ....

OpenStudy (freckles):

remember lines that are parallel have the same .... *

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

slope so they have to have a slope of .5

OpenStudy (freckles):

right so what equation are you going to be solving ?

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

the function that was given y/2x or the y=mx+b ??

OpenStudy (freckles):

you know that dy/dx is the thing that is representing are slope field? the line segments in dy/dx is what we are interested in

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

ok so use the y=mx+b?

OpenStudy (freckles):

how would you use that?

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

using the slope of .5 and then finding points that fit it?

OpenStudy (freckles):

dy/dx is the slope of y .5 is the slope of y=0.5x parallel means lines with same slope (different y-intercept)

OpenStudy (freckles):

same means equal

OpenStudy (freckles):

you are wanting to solve dy/dx=.5

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

right so the slopes of both have to be .5

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

we could use (1,1)

OpenStudy (freckles):

do you know to find the line such that dy/dx=.5 ?

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

not exactly just plug and chug...

OpenStudy (freckles):

you are given dy/dx=y/(2x)

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

right and if we set it equal to .5 we have two variables to solve for.... but if we plug i got 1,1 as a point...

OpenStudy (freckles):

that is a point there are many points in which the line segments will have slope .5 according to your question you should get a line that consists of infinitely many line segments where their slopes are .5

OpenStudy (freckles):

dy/dx=.5 y/(2x)=.5 y=2x(.5) y=x

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

ohhh i see now... so no matter what the points are since they are the same they will have the same slope ...

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

so just put y=x?

OpenStudy (freckles):

yes y=x is the line they are looking for

OpenStudy (freckles):

(1,1) is just one point on that line there are many points on that line where the line segment will have slope .5

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

ok i have another one.

OpenStudy (freckles):

ok i will brb

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

ok

OpenStudy (freckles):

are you having trouble with both questions?

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

yeah all of them again

OpenStudy (freckles):

have you ever seen euler's method? it is just a formula

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

i have seen it.... just confused on how it works. Can you post the formula and tell me how to plug in and such?

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[y_n=y_{n-1}+f(x_{n-1},y_{n-1})(x_{n}-x_{n-1}) \\ \text{ assuming we are giving the point } (x_{n-1},y_{n-1}) \\ \\ \] \[y'=f(x,y) =\frac{y}{x}+1\]

OpenStudy (freckles):

the step side is just that change in x

OpenStudy (freckles):

what they are calling h in the second question

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

ok

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

so that yn equation being a... and then how would we approximate for b?

OpenStudy (freckles):

I would probably input (x_(n-1),y_(n-1)) into the function called f(x,y) which in this case is y/x+1 but anyways we are given h=.01 this is the thing you can replace that change of x with I mentioned above start with your initial solution for y which you are given y(1)=0 that is (x0,y0)=(1,0) then use this to try to find y(1.03) this means find the approximately solution y at x=1.03

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

ok hold up so our h value goes where?

OpenStudy (freckles):

that change of x up there I mentioned

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

so we are using the equation we were given.... right so where would the change in x fall?

OpenStudy (freckles):

in the formula I mentioned .... \[y_n=y_{n-1}+f(x_{n-1},y_{n-1})(x_{n}-x_{n-1}) \\ \text{ assuming we are giving the point } (x_{n-1},y_{n-1}) \\ \] do you see the factor that contains the change of x?

OpenStudy (freckles):

\[y_n=y_{n-1}+f(x_{n-1},y_{n-1})(h) \\ \text{ assuming we are giving the point } (x_{n-1},y_{n-1}) \\ \\\]

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

ok so we are using a x value to get the y=1.03? What would be the best way to go about that?

OpenStudy (freckles):

x0=0 -> y0=1 x1=0+.01 -> y1=? x2=0+2(.01) ->y2=? .... keep doing this to you have for some number k xk=1.03

OpenStudy (freckles):

no you are looking for y(1.03) not mean y is 1.03

OpenStudy (freckles):

that is going to take awhile that is 103 steps :p

OpenStudy (freckles):

so that list should have read so you only need 3 steps to get there x0=1 -> y0=0 x1=1+.01 -> y1=? x2=1+2(.01) ->y2=? x3=1+3(.01) ->y3=?

OpenStudy (freckles):

you are using the equation I mentioned earlier where the change in x is .01 aka h is .01

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

Ok I'm back now sorry it was realllllllly laggy

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

So we have to go through each step until we get y(1.03)? And we are looking for the x value that makes y(1.03)

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

@freckles

OpenStudy (freckles):

we are looking for the y value when x is 1.03

OpenStudy (freckles):

use the equation above you are given (x0,y0) use that to find y1 when x1 is x0+1*h

OpenStudy (thecalchater):

ok so use the equation they gave us not the one we came up with? so just plug in x as 1.03?

OpenStudy (freckles):

no.... you have three steps to get to 1.03 the next x is x1 which is 1.01 since the step size is .01 the first x was x0 which was 1

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