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OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Looks like we can solve this by separation of variables. Have you tried that?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
no i have not
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Do you need help with that method?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
yes please :)
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OpenStudy (arthur326):
We have \(\dfrac{dy}{dx} = -\dfrac{x}{y}\). What do you get when you separate the variables?
OpenStudy (arthur326):
(We want all the \(y\) terms on one side and all the \(x\) terms on the other.)
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
uh ∫-x ∫y ??
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Did you mean to say \(\displaystyle\int -x \, dx = \int y\, dy\)?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
yes that what I meant sorry
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OpenStudy (arthur326):
Okay. What do you get when you integrate?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
well the first one is -x^2/2
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Yes
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
the second is y^2/2
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Yes. So what's the new equation?
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OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
-x^2/2 = y^2/2 ??
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Don't forget the constant of integration.
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
you mean + C
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Yes.
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
-x^2/2+C = y^2/2 +C
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OpenStudy (arthur326):
You only need the constant on one side. The sum or difference of any number of arbitrary constants is just another constant.
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
-x^2/2+C = y^2/2
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Also, you might as well remove the 2s in the denominators :).
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
-x^2+C = y^2
OpenStudy (arthur326):
How can we determine the value of the constant?
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OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
we solve for C
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Yes. How do we do that?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
subtracting?
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Not sure what you mean.
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
subtracting C from both side? (i don't know)
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OpenStudy (arthur326):
Well the problem is we have \(x\) and \(y\). Can we make them be specific numbers?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
yes?
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Yes. Use the initial condition given.
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
so y(2) = 2? Where do we use it
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
as C?
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OpenStudy (arthur326):
We plug it into our equation. What does \(y(2)=2\) mean?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
i'm not sure :(
OpenStudy (arthur326):
It means that \(y=2\) when \(x=2\).
OpenStudy (arthur326):
What do you get when you plug that in?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
-2^2+C = 2^2
4+C = 4
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OpenStudy (arthur326):
No. Careful. What's \(-2^2\)?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
opps sorry -4
OpenStudy (arthur326):
So what is \(C\)?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
C= 8
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Right. What is the equation of our solution then, in terms of \(x\) and \(y\)?
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OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
-4+8 = 4?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
sorry I suck at math
OpenStudy (arthur326):
We found \(C\), so you can plug it in into the earlier equation that had \(x\) and \(y\).
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
i sorry which equation from earlier?
OpenStudy (arthur326):
\(-x^2+C=y^2\).
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OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
-2^2+8 = 2^2
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Don't plug in \(x=y=2\); that's a specific case. Just plug in \(C\) since we found it.
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
you mean just -x^2+ 8 = y^2 ?
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Yes.
OpenStudy (arthur326):
What is the graph of this equation?
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OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
a circle
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Good.
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Where is the center of the circle?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
(0,0)
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Yeah. And what is the circle's radius?
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OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
hmm like -2.828
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Negative radius???????
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
sorry didn't mean to put the negative sign
OpenStudy (arthur326):
What is the radius in exact form?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
2.828
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OpenStudy (arthur326):
No. That's an approximation.
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
2.8284
OpenStudy (arthur326):
I suspect you're using graphing software. Just do the algebra. What's the equation of a circle with radius \(r\) centered at \((0,0)\)?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
the equation?
OpenStudy (arthur326):
It's \(x^2+y^2 = r^2\).
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OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
ohh thatt yeah
OpenStudy (arthur326):
So what is \(r\) in our case?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
8^2
OpenStudy (arthur326):
No.
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
but isn't x an y equal to 2
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OpenStudy (arthur326):
\(x\) and \(y\) are variables. They can take on any value as long as they satisfy the equation we obtained.
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Our equation is \(x^2 + y^2 = 8\).
OpenStudy (arthur326):
This means that \(r^2 = 8\).
OpenStudy (arthur326):
What is \(r\)?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
r= -2sqrt 2
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OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
sorry again not negative sign
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Do you see what the domain is now?
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
[-2sqrt 2, 2sqrt 2]
OpenStudy (arthur326):
Yes.
OpenStudy (trisarahtops):
Thank you for all the help!
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OpenStudy (arthur326):
You're welcome. From our discussion, I think you have a lot of gaps in your algebra. I strongly recommend reviewing that before tackling differential equations. :)