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OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

Calculus Question!! Medal!!!

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Looks like we can solve this by separation of variables. Have you tried that?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

no i have not

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Do you need help with that method?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

yes please :)

OpenStudy (arthur326):

We have \(\dfrac{dy}{dx} = -\dfrac{x}{y}\). What do you get when you separate the variables?

OpenStudy (arthur326):

(We want all the \(y\) terms on one side and all the \(x\) terms on the other.)

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

uh ∫-x ∫y ??

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Did you mean to say \(\displaystyle\int -x \, dx = \int y\, dy\)?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

yes that what I meant sorry

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Okay. What do you get when you integrate?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

well the first one is -x^2/2

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Yes

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

the second is y^2/2

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Yes. So what's the new equation?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

-x^2/2 = y^2/2 ??

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Don't forget the constant of integration.

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

you mean + C

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Yes.

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

-x^2/2+C = y^2/2 +C

OpenStudy (arthur326):

You only need the constant on one side. The sum or difference of any number of arbitrary constants is just another constant.

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

-x^2/2+C = y^2/2

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Also, you might as well remove the 2s in the denominators :).

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

-x^2+C = y^2

OpenStudy (arthur326):

How can we determine the value of the constant?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

we solve for C

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Yes. How do we do that?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

subtracting?

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Not sure what you mean.

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

subtracting C from both side? (i don't know)

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Well the problem is we have \(x\) and \(y\). Can we make them be specific numbers?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

yes?

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Yes. Use the initial condition given.

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

so y(2) = 2? Where do we use it

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

as C?

OpenStudy (arthur326):

We plug it into our equation. What does \(y(2)=2\) mean?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

i'm not sure :(

OpenStudy (arthur326):

It means that \(y=2\) when \(x=2\).

OpenStudy (arthur326):

What do you get when you plug that in?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

-2^2+C = 2^2 4+C = 4

OpenStudy (arthur326):

No. Careful. What's \(-2^2\)?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

opps sorry -4

OpenStudy (arthur326):

So what is \(C\)?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

C= 8

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Right. What is the equation of our solution then, in terms of \(x\) and \(y\)?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

-4+8 = 4?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

sorry I suck at math

OpenStudy (arthur326):

We found \(C\), so you can plug it in into the earlier equation that had \(x\) and \(y\).

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

i sorry which equation from earlier?

OpenStudy (arthur326):

\(-x^2+C=y^2\).

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

-2^2+8 = 2^2

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Don't plug in \(x=y=2\); that's a specific case. Just plug in \(C\) since we found it.

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

you mean just -x^2+ 8 = y^2 ?

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Yes.

OpenStudy (arthur326):

What is the graph of this equation?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

a circle

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Good.

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Where is the center of the circle?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

(0,0)

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Yeah. And what is the circle's radius?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

hmm like -2.828

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Negative radius???????

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

sorry didn't mean to put the negative sign

OpenStudy (arthur326):

What is the radius in exact form?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

2.828

OpenStudy (arthur326):

No. That's an approximation.

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

2.8284

OpenStudy (arthur326):

I suspect you're using graphing software. Just do the algebra. What's the equation of a circle with radius \(r\) centered at \((0,0)\)?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

the equation?

OpenStudy (arthur326):

It's \(x^2+y^2 = r^2\).

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

ohh thatt yeah

OpenStudy (arthur326):

So what is \(r\) in our case?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

8^2

OpenStudy (arthur326):

No.

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

but isn't x an y equal to 2

OpenStudy (arthur326):

\(x\) and \(y\) are variables. They can take on any value as long as they satisfy the equation we obtained.

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Our equation is \(x^2 + y^2 = 8\).

OpenStudy (arthur326):

This means that \(r^2 = 8\).

OpenStudy (arthur326):

What is \(r\)?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

r= -2sqrt 2

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

sorry again not negative sign

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Do you see what the domain is now?

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

[-2sqrt 2, 2sqrt 2]

OpenStudy (arthur326):

Yes.

OpenStudy (trisarahtops):

Thank you for all the help!

OpenStudy (arthur326):

You're welcome. From our discussion, I think you have a lot of gaps in your algebra. I strongly recommend reviewing that before tackling differential equations. :)

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