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OpenStudy (mathmusician):

Calculus review help

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

The question

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

What I think I'm supposed to do is take the derivative of that equation and then plug in the x and y values from the point. Is that right?

OpenStudy (phi):

looks like implicit differentiation, the power rule and the product rule.

OpenStudy (phi):

and then (yes) put in x=-1 and y=2 and solve for dy/dx

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

What about the =49 do I just ignore that or differentiate that too

zepdrix (zepdrix):

Differentiate that as well :) And make sure you don't go through the trouble of solving for dy/dx BEFORE plugging in the coordinate, it will be a huge pain.

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

\[6y ^{2}x+5=196x ^{3}\] is what I got after differentiating is that right?

OpenStudy (phi):

the derivative of a constant 49 is 0

OpenStudy (phi):

how did you get that ?

OpenStudy (stacey):

No. Differentiating just the y^5 portion will give you\[5y ^{4}dy\]

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

\[\frac{ dy }{ dx }(y ^{5}+3x ^{2}y ^{2}+5x ^{4}) = 20x ^{3}+6y ^{2}x\]

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

That is what I get for the first portion

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

So do I just plug in the x and y values into that ^

OpenStudy (phi):

unfortunately you have to treat the y as a variable also

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

Oh I just did d/dx whoops

OpenStudy (phi):

notice \[ \frac{d}{dx} y^5 = 5 y^4 \frac{dy}{dx}\] also \[ \frac{d}{dx}x^5 = 5x^4 \frac{dx}{dx}= 5x^4\]

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

Okay so do i do that for all of the different terms?

OpenStudy (phi):

yes. and notice the term with x and y requires the product rule: d(u v) = u dv + v du

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

okay so you did the first one already

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

\[\frac{ d }{ dx }3x ^{2}y ^{2} = 6xy ^{2}\frac{ dx }{ dy }\]

OpenStudy (phi):

you mean dx/dx (normally people don't bother to write it) 6 x y^2 but that is only one of the terms: you did 3y^2 d/dy x^2 you also have to do 3x^2 * d/dy y^2

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

3x^2*2y

OpenStudy (phi):

yes, but remember the chain rule. you should also have dy/dx

OpenStudy (phi):

in other words, you should get \[ 6 x^2 y \frac{dy}{dx} \]

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

okay so now do i plug in the x and y or is there still more we have differentiate

OpenStudy (phi):

what did you get after taking the derivative?

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

\[5y ^{4}\frac{ dy }{ dx }+6x ^{2}y \frac{ dy }{ dx }=-6xy ^{2}-20x ^{3}\]

OpenStudy (phi):

ok

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

\[y(5y ^{4}+6x ^{2})\frac{ dy }{ dx }\]

OpenStudy (phi):

I would not bother simplifying your original equation. rather, put in -1 for x and 2 for y

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

okay

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

So after i did it all this is what i got \[\frac{ dy }{ dx }=\frac{ -2x(3y ^{2}+10x ^{2}) }{ y(5y ^{4}+6x ^{2}) }\]

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

Is that right for dy/dx?

OpenStudy (stacey):

In the denominator, you should have 5y^3 instead of 5y^4.

OpenStudy (stacey):

Everything else is correct.

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

Okay so now i just plug in the x and y values now?

OpenStudy (phi):

if you put in the numbers first, the algebra is easier.

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

okay

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

I'm not getting one of the answer choices

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

Okay i made a simple error I'm good now Thank you everyone!!!

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

I got 11/23

OpenStudy (irishboy123):

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OpenStudy (stacey):

You are correct.

OpenStudy (irishboy123):

this is a really sweet way to do this kinda thing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtgTckGMuWE but maybe further down the line

OpenStudy (mathmusician):

Thanks Everyone!

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