How do I know that your interpretation of the Bible is the correct one?
I believe the KJV bible is the correct Bible I forget how everything happened but basically It was translated from the Greek,Hebrew, Latin tongue into the Language that was spoken at that time with only the pries and and important people know from what I found this Language was Latin and German like i said i forget what all happened King Jame wanted a copy for the church in England so he had people translate it to English So in 1604 he got 47 scholars to translate the bible into English In 1611 the bible was finished That is why you hear the 1611 king James version many people like to say that they have a 1611 Bible but the true is they don't This is a 1611 Bible it's very hard to read http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/1611_Genesis-Chapter-1/ I found this online so i don't know if this is a real 1611 but this is what pulled up for 1611 Anyway as you know and can see people back then did not know how to wright English and most people didn't even know how to read in 1769 when people had a clearer English a man by the name of Benjamin Blayney rewrote the Bible so it was read able This was done at the in Oxford That is why we hear of the Oxford Bible The KJV Bible is the close Bible they have to the original tongue Bible like NIV NKJV NWT ESC where all from the KJV but they add and take away stuff from it It like using the transcript then making it your own That's what the people who made the other bible did they twisted the Bible to match what they believe and teach Now not every thing in the KJV is like the original Bible sometime word have different meaning and don't fit when translating that is why sometime you see a place where it says what they think it means or this word was added With all that being said I only use the KJV Bible
now i know that didn't really answer your question so here it is If you ask me a question I will look at the passage and go over it over and over again until I find out what it means. If I don't know what it means i will say I don't know but I think this. If I do know what it means I will say I believe this. Also I study my Bible and I believe I know a lot more then most Teens my age so I have a clearer understanding of the Bible then most. My dad is a baptist Pastor so if I don't know something I could ask him for his opinion.
@tanner23456
That's great. I think it's awesome that you have such a deep interest in the teachings in the Bible. I also agree that the KJV is the most correct translation of the BIble, but even as you pointed out, there are discrepancies because of that translation and just because you've studied it a fair amount doesn't mean you've arrived at the correct interpretation.
No one will ever have a correct interpretation of the Bible is something that mostly always has a claim A claim is the author's message, the overall point or argument that he or she makes. A claim is a statement that is arguable (meaning someone could disagree) and proven with support. People can claim something about the Bible but People can argue about what is being said
So basically what you're saying is that you can never REALLY know what the BIble is saying?
no I'm saying you can know what the Bible is saying but there can be more then one correct interpretation
Ok, but what if two interpretations contradict? Which one is correct?
The one who has the truth like what day did Jesus die and rise In this case i would have to say I i don't know so who is correct I would say you have to decide for yourself gather all you can find and do your own studying I don't know why I never study this now that you ask i will have to see what I believe on this There are many thing in the Bible where you will just have to decide for yourself
I mean about who to believe about Jesus deaf not that you asked that question
May I offer a solution? Similar to what I've said in the other posted question, truth can only be received be revelation, i.e. revealed through the Holy Ghost. However, it must coincide with teachings of the one who holds authority on the earth. Do you believe in a modern day prophet? Similar to Moses, Noah, and Elijah?
do you mean people who claim they got a revelation from God in that case no I believe God can revile stuff to use I also don't believe you can hear God voice at all or see God this is hard to explain like a person who was in the hospital says there heard Gods voice telling them they would make it I don't believe it was God I think it was either an angle speaking to them or it was a vision God aloud them to have to show them his will Not God himself also the seeing the bible say no one can see heaven so the story heaven is for real I don't believe is true I believe God gave him a vision of what heaven is like but he didn't see heaven or God itself Every time God was seen in the Bible the people had to hide because he show so Bright I don't believe in speaking in tongues and being filled with the holly spirit say God gave me this to say like some preachers out there so I believe God can revile stuff to you but i don't Believe he gives us his word any more
Really? Huh. that's interesting. So, you believe God no longer speaks to mankind? Why would he stop?
May I suggest some possible reasons? Perhaps God does not speak to man anymore because He cannot. He has lost the power.
an atheists one ask my dad and I "if God is real why Doesn't he Talk and show himself to use" my dad reply something like this That is why I'm here God has Christian to teach his word to other and show his love though use when Jesus left he had Disciple spread the word Christian are he to teach the word to those he don't know it
Because the Bible has been written no longer did he have to speak to man. We don't see God speaking in the New testament Because Jesus came. The Bible is how Gods speaks to use and prayer is how we speak to God. In a way we do have Moses, Noah, and Elijah. we have pastor and Bible teachers but no longer do they receive Gods word like back then.
Tip: If you want a better understanding of the Bible, you should learn Hebrew. https://www.duolingo.com/course/he/en/Learn-Hebrew-Online
But what about Hebrews 13:8 King James Version (KJV) 8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Malachi 3:6a 6 For I am the LORD, I change not; God can not lose power if he lost his power that means he can lose his power to heal and to save he didn't lose it he choose not to speak to man anymore btw it is not power it is his will it is a characteristic of God not an talent
Well, then, if you don’t accept that, perhaps He doesn’t speak to men because He doesn’t love us anymore and He is no longer interested in the affairs of men.
no like I said Because the Bible has been written no longer did he have to speak to man. We don't see God speaking in the New testament Because Jesus came. The Bible is how Gods speaks to use and prayer is how we speak to God. In a way we do have Moses, Noah, and Elijah. we have pastor and Bible teachers but no longer do they receive Gods word like back then. It's not because he no longer loves use the Bible say that he may turn his back on use when we don't listen or punish us but it never says that God doesn't love his children If this was true then that mean God can love some and hate other God loves everyone the same 1 John 4:10 - Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins. John Chapter 13 34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. John 15:13 - Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 1 John 4:8 - He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 1 John 4:19 - We love him, because he first loved us. John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Mark 12:31 - And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Ephesians 5:25 - Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 1 God is not a hypocrite 2 God takes love serious 3 God is love It like a parent when you do wrong your fellowship is broken and you may not talk to each other but you but still love each other That is the way it is with God man Broke the fellowship with God Now I know some parent hate there kid but in most parent and child relationship the parent and child will always love each other even in hard times
Well, then, if He could speak, and if He loves us, then the only other possible answer, as I see it, is that we don’t need Him. We have made such rapid strides in science and we are so well educated that we don’t need God anymore.
we need God we just don't need his appearance like you mom and dad your mom and dad might had died but you still keep the principals they told you your parent told you accounts of your ancestors and stuff so you can know about your past now you have older people to look up to and to keep training you in the footstep your parents left behind The thing with God though is we can pray to him and he listens Imagine God is like the internet we can't see the people working to make your answer appear in lest the a second on google but you know that someone is working it and if you have a problem you can send them a letter now did you ever see or talk with the person from google most likely no but you know that they are real and can answer when you have a problem God is the same way we can't see him or talk to him but we know he is working and we can talk to him if we have a problem though prayer
Ok, I'm done with hypotheticals. You obviously aren't getting the picture. God is very much alive and with us. He speaks to us sometimes through messengers and usually always through the Holy Ghost. To say otherwise is contradicting the fact that God is the same yesterday today and forever. God isn't this strange life force that doesn't have a real identity. He is very much our Heavenly Father on a more personal level than I think you realize. Why would he ask us to pray to him if he wasn't going to respond? I completely agree that he speaks through representatives on the earth like your Father was saying, but it can't just be any Joe Blow that walks in off the street. They must be called of God and given the proper authority by the laying on of hands. Similar to the way the apostles were ordained in the primitive church. The point I was trying to make is that for God to discontinue speaking to us would mean either a disability (similar to your death of parents analogy), a lack of love (similar to your parents and children discontinue speaking analogy) or we are simply no longer dependent on Him. Which is certainly not the case. Why in the world would our Heavenly Father change the way He speaks to us. In these tumultuous times don't we need constant communication as much as they did back then. John 14:26 "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." Our Heavenly Father has sent the Holy Ghost to speak to us. He can teach us guide us through His Spirit. A denial of this is a denial of scripture. Why would heavenly manifestations stop in a world that needs it now more than ever?
I'm sorry if you think I'm hypothetical but this is what I meant all along. God is the same yesterday today and forever is talking about his characteristic not his actions Why would he ask us to pray to him if he wasn't going to respond? God answer though his word the Bible he also answers though sighs and wonders like a parent God might say no yes maybe or wait God timing is not are timing we will never know Gods will so we will have to sometimes wait for an answer I also don't believe some guy with a mega phone yelling is from God I believe it is if God has called you, has his hand on you, or you had surrender to the will of God I believe even a child with the help of the holy spirit can teach God world I know Jesus is God but we see him in the temple with the Bible teacher challenging them about Gods word I also agree that it is though that it is thought the holy spirit that they thing can be done here is where i think we don't see eye to eye I don't believe in some person saying he is filled with the holly spirit and healing people I believe that is of Satan I also don't believe in speaking in tongues The point I was trying to make is that for God to discontinue speaking to us would mean either a disability (similar to your death of parents analogy), a lack of love (similar to your parents and children discontinue speaking analogy) or we are simply no longer dependent on Him. Which is certainly not the case. I don't believe it was a lost of love I believe it was a lost of fellowship Why in the world would our Heavenly Father change the way He speaks to us. In these tumultuous times don't we need constant communication as much as they did back then Like i said it is because the fellowship is broken you see it with Mosses God provide and they complained so God punished them and stepped out for a while when Jesus came he healed people but they wanted him dead Man never wanted God what make you think they would do if Jesus did walk the earth now They probably wouldn't even know it was him and treat him like trash man wants to do think there own way so God let them pay for there decisions God says he is willing to help 2 Chronicles 7:14 King James Version (KJV) 14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land. the thing is many people don't want to humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways that is why God is not listening to men cry I know it may seem harsh but just like a parent tell there kid something over and over again and they don't listen they step out and let the kid learn for there self that is what God does until the child listens and obey the parent will guide them but will not help them until they repent
I know I have bad grammar sorry about that
When did God stop speaking to us?
I tend to use a lot of different translations. I use CJB, NIV, NASB, NLT, KJV, NKJV, and so on and so on. My point is this, they tell the same story, in different ways of translation. If one translation was telling you that God did NOT create the universe, then don't use that translation. That is in complete opposition of what the Bible teaches. If we get so bent out of shape of what translation we use, what is our true focus? God just asks us to follow Him! But we get so bent out of shape of what calendar to use, and what translation to read from, and all it does is promote confusion and turns people away from wanting to be a part of such a movement as Christianity or Messianic Judaism or whatever. I just can't wait until Yeshua comes back and clears up all the confusion.
Mr. Tanner. I would disagree with your statement about how God may no longer be able to talk to us. I completely disagree. I think we just have become deaf to God's voice because of our wickedness. Whoever does wickedness does not have the Father, because the Father is righteous and lives within the righteous. There are instances where the righteous have heard something. Whether that be a voice that wasn't their own or something else. I myself have had such experiences of hearing voices where there should be none. I can't say it's God or something else because I don't know.
Honestly, I'm not so concerned about the translation. The point I'm trying to make is that there needs to be an outside source of confirmation of truth. The Bible alone, regardless of translation can be interpreted many different ways. I'm suggesting the necessity of another witness. "By two or three witnesses shall all [His] words be established" In my own personal study I've found The Book of Mormon, another testament of Christ, to be that adequate witness to confirm the truths in the Bible as well as a modern day prophet. @Jumperman I think you've misunderstood. I know God speaks to us. He has in the past, He does now, and He will in the future. And I totally agree that not everyone will hear him. That's the problem. But if we're willing to listen, we will hear as I have heard. "Whether by mine own voice or the voice of my servants, it is the same."
Of course not even the Book of Mormon can confirm the truth unless you seek out and receive revelation through the Holy Ghost.
There are many issues with the Book of Mormon. False prophecies, historical inaccuracies, and such. I actually wrote a long report, detailing everything wrong with the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price. Deuteronomy says that if a man makes a prophecy in the name of the Lord and it doesn't come true, that man is not being led by God, and must be stoned. The Book of Helaman chapter 14 is one prophecy that didn't come true. Doctrine and Covenants 87 is also a false prophecy. It isn't a witness. Neither is the Qur'an. We have the Dead Scrolls. Even artifacts in Israel, heck, even the geography of Israel is some sort of sign that the events in the Bible hold some truth. The historical accounts of Christ's existence and Paul's existence also hold some truth. The fulfilled prophecies of the Bible, even ones that are being fulfilled in today's world is another support to the validity of the Bible. I can write everything about the Bible on a piece of paper, that doesn't make the Bible true. But if this Earth shows God's glory and His truthfulness, that proves the Bible to be true.
First off, you clearly don't understand what your saying because the prophecy in Helaman 14 was realized later in the Book of Mormon itself. If you're implying that it didn't happen all over the world then that doesn't contradict what was said in Helaman. They were referring to their land only. Alright I don't have a lot of time to tell you why you're wrong, but I noticed you didn't say anything about reading the Book of Mormon and then praying and asking Heavenly Father if it's true. Honestly that's the only way we can know anything is true. Know amount of scholarly insight and surmount the knowledge of our Heavenly Father.
If you say that the prophecy in Helaman was only in affect in their land, where are the two or three witnesses that can back that up? What about the Civil War prophecy? It isn't might job to just pray, it's my job to seek. Praying gets me nowhere if I don't act.
How come this college kid just wants to bash people and promote the Book of Mormon? xD @Jumperman "There are many issues with the Book of Mormon. False prophecies, historical inaccuracies, and such. I actually wrote a long report, detailing everything wrong with the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and The Pearl of Great Price." Amen. You get a medal for that. If you still have your report, you should post it
I still have more to add to my report. It's LONG. If you want to read it, I can send it to you somehow, or even just post it here. @Aveline
Hmm... I think that I should read it after you're completely finished with it.
I'll finish it today.
It's unfortunate that you all have this need to tear down other sources of divine help from our Heavenly Father. There may be discrepancies in the Book of Mormon but not to the point of the Bible. "If you say that the prophecy in Helaman was only in affect in their land, where are the two or three witnesses that can back that up? What about the Civil War prophecy? It isn't might job to just pray, it's my job to seek. Praying gets me nowhere if I don't act." There were indeed witnesses to the gold plates on which these records were written which contain the witnesses of hundreds of people who experienced it. and then there's the witness that you can receive through the Holy Ghost. You're absolutely right that we do need to act but that doesn't demote the importance of mighty prayer to our Heavenly Father. You didn't answer my question either. Read Moroni 10: 3-5 and honestly follow those instructions. Then you can think what you want of the Book of Mormon. @Aveline I'm sure that I'm not bashing anyone. You may all believe whatever you wish. I simply aim to provide more truth, to continue adding to what you already know to be true. I'm sorry if it has seemed like anything else.
The prophecies are not even the big chunks of what's wrong with the Book of Mormon. When someone claims to be given word from God about a specific matter, it is my duty to seek truth and check it for validity. Here are a few examples of what I find wrong with the Mormon faith: 1: The evolution of the Godhood. Joseph Smith has a very interesting way of describing God. In his visions, Smith says he saw God and Jesus, but not the Holy Spirit. The name Jesus was actually used in a time where the Greek meaning was not yet applied. Rather, during the 500's B.C. Jesus was actually supposed to be known as Immanuel. Then later, Joseph Smith changes his tune in the Pearl of Great Price, by saying there are many gods. This is referenced in the book of Abraham. But in the Book of Moses, it is God alone. This is a severe contradiction within the Mormon faith. 2: The historical inaccuracies. Joseph Smith claims that there were horses, elephants, and bees existing in South America before the 5th century A.D. This seems very hard to believe because these animals were brought over by other ethnic groups well after the 5th century. Also, the millions of deaths and wars somehow... archaeologically... disappeared. 3: The contradictions with the Bible. 3 Nephi 12:43 says "And behold it is written also, that thou shalt love thy neighbor and hate thine enemy;" Now, Jesus only says these things when it is written in the Bible. I'll tell you, this isn't written Bible. Also, at the time, the Jews were advocating for the oral law, which Christ is challenging in Matthew 5. The law wasn't written down, so the Book of Mormon is in error here. 4: The change of visions and the awkwardness of it all. In the original version of the Book of Mormon, before it was revised by the Church, Joseph Smith said he saw Nephi... not Moroni. Why the change all of a sudden? Whether it was Nephi or Moroni, Smith described it as an angel. According to the Doctrine and Covenants, we become gods of our worlds. Why isn't Moroni a god? Or should I say Nephi? This doesn't seem to be a very good witness to the Bible. I will protect the Bible from false doctrine that come to give it a negative image. I will not allow that. I am open to look at the issues of the Bible, and if I cannot rationalize in my mind whatever issue it is, I will be inclined to change my view. But when something like the Book of Mormon comes along and says it's a part of God's Word, I'm a lot more hostile to it. I'm still open to trying to rationalize, but that requires a lot of explanation. I haven't even dived into the satanic practices in the Book of Mormon and the core issues of doctrine. I'm saving those.
The only thing this tells me is that you haven't studied the Book of Mormon very thoroughly. I don't really want to type all this out but I guess I will 1. He did see Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. It's accurate for him to use the name Jesus Christ because he saw this vision in the early 1800's which is well after the name Jesus was established. For that second part I'll refer you to the bible which explains this greatly. 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 2. The specific location of different events in the Book of Mormon have not been officially distinguished. We only know that the events happened on the American Continent thousands of years ago. Certainly you agree that the land and inhabitants are subject to change. Especially considering the way the face of the land was changed drastically when the Savior was crucified as specified in the Book of Mormon. 3. How would you have any idea which things were written down or not? Certainly they weren't decided by word of mouth. I'm sure somebody somewhere had written it down. That's interesting that even concerns you. 4. The official account declares it to be Moroni. Whether or not someone was confused and wrote Nephi I'm not sure but it really doesn't matter. As far as our eternal progression to become Gods of our own world. That will only happen after the final judgement after the Savior comes again. After death we reside in the spirit world which is where I would imagine all of the prophets of the Book of Mormon and Bible would be. I hope these answer your questions. I'm happy to answer more if you like. I also assure you that there's not satanic practices taught in the Book of Mormon.
1. There is only one God. But, the Book of Abraham says God conferred with the gods and THEY created the universe. This is contradictory to the Bible and the Book of Moses. 2. There are even made up animals such as cureloms and cumoms. Makes no sense. 3. The Bible is very clear in Matthew 5 that it was handed down by mouth since that was Jewish practice. It concerns me when another book tries to mimic the same event, but gets it wrong and claims the same source. 4. If Joseph Smith can be confused on whehter or not he saw Moroni or Nephi, he can also be confused on other things he saw. 5. There are satanic practices in the Bible. I was a satanist, I would know. I'm no longer a Satanist.
I know I misspelled whether.
1. Let me go ahead and quote the scripture in the bible because it seems like you didn't read it. " 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." There were some who assisted God in the creation of the universe. In the bible it particularly mentions Jehova or Jesus Christ but there were others who helped carry out these actions as we all lived with God before this live. 2. Once you go back thousands of years to the ancient americas and see that there were no cureloms and cumoms then you don't really have an argument. I don't know what they are but maybe they just didn't know what the names of those animals were. who knows? Once again it really doesn't matter. 3. Show me where it says they weren't allowed to write anything down. 4. I'm not saying Joseph was confused. I don't even know that the account with Nephi exists anywhere. Someone could have made it up for all I know. I was implying that someone other than Joseph Smith could've been confused when recording it, but even that I don't know of. 5. Really? So, the Book of Mormon tells it's readers to perform satanic practices? That's interesting because I've never ever read that in the Book of Mormon. Are you sure we're talking about the same book. haha.
I am currently looking at pdf version of the Pearl of Great Price, the original. 1851 version. Joseph Smith says that the messenger was named Nephi. I never said they couldn't write anything down, just the Jewish practice was to do things orally. It does matter if Joseph Smith is making stuff up. So other gods were a part of the creation? Show me scriptural evidence of this. The earl of Great Price does not tell people to do satanic practices, but such tools such as the Ummim and Thummim are considered as seer stones. These seer stones are used in witchcraft to decode coded texts. Plus, the Egyptian plates translated by Joseph Smith does not add up with the correct translation of the Egyptian Papyrus. They are in contradiction. Joseph Smith translated the plates before the Rosetta Stone was decoded. After the Rosetta Stone was decoded, the Egyptian Papyrus was translated and it does not match up with what Joseph Smith says.
Pearl of Great Price*
Ok I think I see the main issue here. You're relying on sources that are not credible. Honestly the only way to really know if the Book of Mormon is true is to really study it (act), ponder and think about it in your heart, and then ask God with real intent if the Book is true. If you do this, I promise he will give you an answer. If not I'm afraid I can't go on discussing this with you. Just because satanists use religious things improperly doesn't mean the religion from which they took those things is satanic. also it's Urim and Thummim which was also used in the Bible. This link will explain more about it: https://www.lds.org/scriptures/bd/urim-and-thummim?lang=eng
Dude, I know all this stuff. You CANNOT just pray about it. That is not what the Bible teaches. Why does the Church have to change the Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Price, if they were handed down by God and was given through Joseph Smith? Only conclusion I have is that it wasn't handed down by God. If the church has to hide false prophecies and inaccuracies, then that is scary stuff. That is putting a blindfold on it's own members. I'm sorry you feel like you can't discuss this with me, and that you are not open to the possibility that the Book of Mormon might just be wrong. God is not the only voice we here in this world. We can get an answer from the devil just as easily as one from God.
You know what? I got money. I'll go buy the original versions.
You know all this stuff? It doesn't really sound like it. Heavenly Father is the only one who has knowledge of the truth. Why not ask the source? If it's been changed, it's only been for grammatical errors. Nothing doctrinally has been changed. I'm not sure why your so bent on disproving the Book of Mormon. Have you ever considered that maybe you're the one that's wrong? Maybe the Book of Mormon is true? If you're set on disproving then you won't come to any real conclusions. I made sure when I prayed about it that I would accept it if the answer was that it wasn't true. But I also made sure to open my heart the possibility that it was true. The answer that I received was overwhelming and it coincided nicely with this scripture in Galatians: " 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law." That's how I knew it was from God through His Holy Spirit. I felt those things. Especially peace which is something Satan certainly cannot mimic. You can buy whatever edition you want. At length you'll come to the conclusion that you must either ask the source or remain in darkness relying on your own reason and rationalization.
You two should make a new question if you'd like to discuss the faults in Mormonism. Your topic is way different than the original question.
@Aveline is right @tanner23456 I believe God stopped talking to man in Malachi because this is the last book in the old testament I can't find a clear answer on this so to tell you the true IDK what I do know is that we only hear God talk in the new testament and that is when Jesus was baptized I have not read my bible chronologically and had never studied this anyway I saw your debate I didn't read it all and most of it i don't understand because I never read the Mormon bible But like I said about the KJV Bible and the other Bible the Mormon was twisted to match what they believe don't Mormon use the NIV along with the Mormon bible If so I forget all the verses but I know the NIV doesn't have Acts 8:36 and 38 here is what I found on this https://www.jesus-is-lord.com/nivdelet.htm Now I did not read all of this so I don't know if all of them are true but I think there are all correct Also I advise you to look at this http://www.adamsroadband.com/ Every thing you see is 100% free including shipping Also I challenge you to read the New testament like a child
There are many interpretations of the bible because not everyone understands most of the words that were used back then when it was written. Similar words are used so people can understand the verse better.
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