Find all locations (x,y) on the graph of f(x)= x^2 +4x+3 where slope =10
@girondasearch @girondasearch @zepdrix
Using calculus techniques?
yes!
I'm in precalc
The derivative gives us slope at a particular point, so we're looking for x values such that\[\large\rm f'(x)=10\]Do you understand how to find f'(x)?
calculate the derivative and set it equal to 10 :)
the slope is given which is 10
so they're asking the points where the slope i.e. derivative is 10
so @Ammarah do what @zepdrix said, but first find the derivative for us
do I use f(x +h)-f(x)/h?
there is a much easier way
can someone help me solve and graph this please
do i plug in points?
to take the derivative of a polynomial here's your formula you need to use \[\frac{ d }{ dx }x^{n} = nx^{n-1}\]
what is n
so n is the exponent
\[x^{2}\] say if I had that can you tell me what n would be?
2
so using the formula above what would be the derivative of \[x^{2}\]
idk
is ther another way? I never learned this formula
Just try, \[\frac{ d }{ dx }x^{n} = nx^{n-1}\]
like can i use point slope form or plug in points for x?
you have to follow me, because this is the fastest way
we take the exponent and we subtract 1 right? so in x^{2} the exponent is 2. 2-1 = 1 then 2 goes in front of the x \[\frac{ d }{ dx } x^{2} = 2x \]
@Ammarah can you see what the pattern is?
yes
then what do I do?
Oh you're using the limit definition of derivative?
\[\large\rm \lim_{h\to0}\frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}\]yes?
so I would just plug that in? how do I find all the locations?
Yes, that will give you the function which determines the locations. Make sure you understand how to plug in the pieces, it can be a little tricky. \[\large\rm f(\color{orangered}{x})=(\color{orangered}{x})^2+4(\color{orangered}{x})+3\]So the other piece in the numerator is going to be,\[\large\rm f(\color{orangered}{x+h})=(\color{orangered}{x+h})^2+4(\color{orangered}{x+h})+3\]
\[\large\rm \frac{f(x+h)-f(x)}{h}\]So we plug in our numerator,\[\large\rm \frac{(x+h)^2+4(x+h)+3-(x^2+4x+3)}{h}\]Distribute all the negatives and stuff, expand out the square,\[\large\rm \frac{x^2+2xh+h^2+4x+4h+3-x^2-4x-3}{h}\]Combine like-terms,\[\large\rm \frac{2xh+h^2+4h}{h}\]Divide out an h,\[\large\rm 2x+h+4\]Then the calculus part comes in, this idea of "limits". I dunno if you've been introduced to this? You care about what happens to this function as h (the space between your two points in your slope formula) goes to zero. What that means for us here, is that we can directly plug 0 in for h.
\[\large\rm f'(x)=2x+4\]That gives us our derivative function, this gives us the slope of the original function at any point. We care about when the slope is 10,\[\large\rm 10=2x+4\]
Sorry if I took some of the fun away, doing the whole problem like that, you seemed a bit confused though :d
thank you so much! so this equation basically defines all the locations on the graph, like if I plugged in a value for x and y?
|dw:1463028077453:dw|Here is what our function looks like.
|dw:1463028112952:dw|the derivative function tells us how the function is changing, how steeply the function is growing at a particular moment in time. So for example, here you can see that at x=-2, the function is not growing at all, it's stationary, while at x=1, it's very very steep, maybe a slope value of 5 or 6.
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