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OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

how to complete the square for this problem

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

\[3x^{2}+5x+1 =0\]

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

I know that I gotta get it in the form ax^2+bx = -c

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

\[3x^{2}+5x = -1 \]

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

then multiply by 1/a \[\frac{ 1 }{ 3 }(3x^{2}+5x = -1)\] \[x^{2}+\frac{ 5 }{ 3 }x = -\frac{ 1 }{ 3 }\] just wondering what do I do after this?

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

Good work so far. You are correct that the x^2 term must have a coefficient of 1 in order to complete the square. You have already done that. Now take the coefficient of the x-term. Divide it by 2, and square it. That is what you add to both sides.

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

thank you so I gotta do this right? \[(\frac{ 5 }{ 3 }\div2)^{2}\]

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

Correct.

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

ok cool

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

Remember that to halve a fraction, just double the denominator. Half of \(\dfrac{1}{a} \) is \(\dfrac{1}{2a} \).

OpenStudy (mathmale):

\[3x^{2}+5x+1 =0~becomes~3(x^2+\frac{ 5 }{ 3 }x + \frac{ 1 }{ 3 }).\]

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

that's a neat trick

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Foc\[x^2+\frac{ 5 }{ 3 }x.\]us on completing the square of

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

Half of \(\dfrac{1}{a} = \dfrac{1}{2} \times \dfrac{1}{a} = \dfrac{1}{2a} \)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

a) Take half of the coefficient of x b) Square that result c) Add this latest result to \[x^2+\frac{ 5 }{ 3 }x\] and then subtract the same thing. d) rewrite the first 3 terms as a perfect square. e) simplify your final result as much as possible.

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

@mathmale before I was thinking that it had to be like this \[\frac{ 5 }{ 3 } \div 1/2 = (\frac{ 5 }{ 3 }*2 )^{2}\]

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

No.

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

You need to divide 5/3 by 2. That is simply 5/6.

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

\(\dfrac{5}{3} \div 2 = \dfrac{5}{3} \times \dfrac{1}{2} = \dfrac{5}{6} \)

OpenStudy (mathmale):

No. \[\frac{ 5 }{ 3 } \div 1/2 ~should~be~\frac{ 5 }{ 3 }*\frac{ 1 }{ 2 },\]

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

Remember the rule of dividing fractions by multiplying by the reciprocal.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

...which comes out to 5/6, as mathstudent55 has aptly said.

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

oh yeah I see that now thanks I got confused before

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

Take the coefficient of the x-term: 5/3 Divide it by 2: 5/6 Now square 5/6. What do you get?

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

\[(x+\frac{ 5 }{ 6 })^{2} = \frac{ 13 }{ 36 }\]

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Now square this (5/6). Add this square to your previous result, and then subtract it. Please show all your work so that mathstudent55 and I can give you pertinent feedback.

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

this is what I got guys

OpenStudy (mathmale):

\[(x+\frac{ 5 }{ 6 })^{2} = \frac{ 13 }{ 36 }\]

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

nice!

OpenStudy (mathmale):

remember that we factored out that coefficient of 3. Aren't you going to include that 3 in your final result? You can check your own work by expanding that square of the binomial (x+5/6). If doing this, and simplifying, takes you back to the very first expression you posted, you're right. If not, then it's back to the drawing board.

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

Square 5/6 to get 25/36. Now add 25/36 to both sides. \(x^2 + \dfrac{5}{3} x + \dfrac{25}{36} = -\dfrac{1}{3} + \dfrac{25}{36} \) \(x^2 + \dfrac{5}{3} x + \dfrac{25}{36} = -\dfrac{12}{36} + \dfrac{25}{36} \) \(\left( x + \dfrac{5}{6} \right)^2 = \dfrac{13}{36} \) Yes, that is what I got, too.

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

wow cool, thanks for such detailed explanations

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

The 3 is not added because it was not factored out. The 3 was divided by on both sides, thus eliminating the 3.

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

yeah in my book it says we have to multiply everything by 1/a

OpenStudy (mathmale):

I'm impressed that you took your check all that distance and got what you'd hoped for!

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

thanks again both of you so it also said like it had to be ax^2+bx = -c what if c is not negative? do you have to multiply evrything by -1?

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Yes, I agree with mathstudent55 about that 3 not being needed further.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

In your shoes I'd just move that "c" to the other side of your equation.

OpenStudy (mathmale):

Example: you have -2 on the right side; to get rid of that, add 2 to both sides of your equation. Result: 0 on the right side and left side has the form\[ax^2+bx+c\]

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

Here is a recap of the entire problem, since it was done in pieces throughout this post. \(3x^{2}+5x+1 =0\) \(3x^{2}+5x = -1\) \(x^{2}+\dfrac{ 5 }{ 3 }x = -\dfrac{ 1 }{ 3 }\) \(x^2 + \dfrac{5}{3} x + \dfrac{25}{36} = -\dfrac{1}{3} + \dfrac{25}{36}\) \(x^2 + \dfrac{5}{3} x + \dfrac{25}{36} = -\dfrac{12}{36} + \dfrac{25}{36}\) \(\left( x + \dfrac{5}{6} \right)^2 = \dfrac{13}{36}\) All we did was complete the square. If the goal is to solve the equation by completing the square, then you go on like this: \( x + \dfrac{5}{6} = \pm \sqrt{\dfrac{13}{36}}\) \( x + \dfrac{5}{6} = \pm \dfrac{\sqrt{13}}{6}\) \( x = -\dfrac{5}{6} \pm \dfrac{\sqrt{13}}{6}\) \(x = \dfrac{-5 + \sqrt{13}}{6} \) or \(x = \dfrac{-5 - \sqrt{13}}{6} \)

OpenStudy (thephysicsman):

thanks!

OpenStudy (mathstudent55):

You're welcome.

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