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OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

I think I'm finding the vertical shift wrong. http://prntscr.com/b7ajhq So, the amplitude = 17.5 Period = 2pi/4.5 Phase shift = n/a vertical shift = 15+25 = 40 so my equation is 17.5sin(2pi/4.5) + 40 Whenever I try to solve for the height of 50 and how long it takes to get there, I screw something up. I'm sure I screwed something up in the equation, and it's probably the vertical shift.

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

When I solve for this, I always get 26.1408, which is definitely not one of my choices.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

The vert shift will not be the max height I'd suggest trying to draw a diagram... the very shift will be where the center of the ride is.

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

Yeah, I made a mistake, the vertical shift is 40, yes?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Not quite

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

*bottom lip starts to quiver* it's... it's not?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Tell me the radius of the thing.

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

wait, I lied. it's 32.5

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

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OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

Well the diameter is 35, making the radius 17.5

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

and then, to find the vertical shift, it's the maximum height - the diameter = 15 and then it's 15 + 17.5 = 32.5 making so far the equation - 17.5sin(2pi/4.5) + 32.5

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

Ohhhhhh my mistake is that I made the period 2pi/4.5 it should be 2pi/5

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

17.5sin(2pi/4.5) + 32.5 This equation is missing a variable too...

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

17.5(2pi/5 t) + 32.5 there isn't a phase shift since we're starting at the midline.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Keep in mind that your t will be in minutes which you'll have to convert to seconds

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

I think I 'm doing something wrong.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

17.5(2pi/5 t) + 32.5 looks right I think Now set it equal to 50

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

50 = 17.5 (2pi/5 t) + 32.5 19.5 = 17.5(2pi/5 t) 1.1142 = (sin2pi/5 t) sin^-1 (1.1142) = 1.26t t = 1.1345 1.1345(60) = 68.07

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

which is not one of my answers.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

You did some bad arithmetic in the first to second line

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

1.1142 = (sin2pi/5 t) this should have been a red flag. Sin or cosine can never be greater than 1...

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

Well, in that case... it's 17.5 = 17.5 (sin 2pi/5 t) 0 = (sin 2pi/5 t) sin -1 (0) = 2pi/5t t = 1.2566 75.39

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Yes sin^-1 (1.1142) how did you even get a value for that? your calculator should say error.

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

@agent0smith I honestly, have no idea. using the script calculator on my phone.

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

I don't understand. I'm absolutely lost.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

You already worked out the answer

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

I did?

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

oh yeah, i did. 75.39. which rounds to d = 75

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Wait you also did bad arithmetic here too 17.5 = 17.5 (sin 2pi/5 t) 0 = (sin 2pi/5 t) 17.5/17.5 is not zero!

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Somehow by magic you seem to have got it right, though

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

1 = sin 2pi/5t) heheh - i'm just that magical.

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

I don't understand the second one that I have here. At the amusement park, you decide to ride the Ferris wheel, which has a maximum height of 100 meters and a diameter of 50 meters. It takes the wheel seven minutes to make one revolution. If you start your ride at the midline and the ferris wheel rotates counter clockwise, how many seconds will it take for your seat to reach a height of 75 meters? Round the answer to the nearest second.

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

So setting this up, it should be 75 = 25(sin 2pi/7)+50 right?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Find the vert shift same as last time

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

75.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

The midline is also 75m. Where you start. You're asked how long it takes to reach 75m...

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

But why is the midline also 75 in this equation?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Draw or imagine it and you'll see.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Midline is the vert shift btw

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

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OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

so if the equation is 25sin(2pi/7) +75 then t = 2pi/7?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Well it takes 7 minutes to rotate right? So you're at 75 when you start, and then halfway through the ride, which takes how long?

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

So we change it to 2pi/3.5?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

No. The whole ride takes 7 minutes. You're at 75 when you start, and then *halfway* through the ride, which takes how long? That's what the question is asking.

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

So I solve for half of 75...? I'm so confused

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Read slowly. The whole ride takes 7 minutes. How long does it take to get halfway through it?

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

It'll take three and a half minutes?

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

I'm sure once I figure out the equation and solve the thing, it'll be obvious, but until then...

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Why do you need an equation?

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

Because.... Um. I can't figure it out otherwise? It'll take 109 seconds to finish the entire ride from time = 0

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

No need for an equation. Why 109 seconds to finish the entire ride?? The question says it takes 7minutes for one complete rotation The question asks how long it takes to reach 75 m. We know that is where we start. We know that we'll be at 75m again, halfway through the ride. We know the whole rotation or ride takes 7 minutes. Therefore... How long does half the ride take?

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

Well half of 7 is 3.5 that's all I've got.

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

That's literally the only thing that makes sense.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Exactly.

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

Okay, then what? Solve the equation for 2pi/3.5?

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

Is it 40 seconds?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

You're really getting mixed up here.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

The question is basically asking how long it takes to get halfway through the ride. You literally just answered that.

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

But my choices are 0, 10, 20, and 40 seconds?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Then something is off here. At the amusement park, you decide to ride the Ferris wheel, which has a maximum height of 100 meters and a diameter of 50 meters. It takes the wheel seven minutes to make one revolution. If you start your ride at the midline and the ferris wheel rotates counter clockwise, how many seconds will it take for your seat to reach a height of 75 meters? Round the answer to the nearest second. Or just go with zero, since.... we already went over that earlier

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

"The midline is also 75m. Where you start. You're asked how long it takes to reach 75m... an hour ago"

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

At the start is when t= ...?

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

That's the full thing http://prntscr.com/b7bayq

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

So don't I just go through the same process as the last equation we did?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

No. We've already done the process and again, you don't need an equation. We already know from earlier the midline is where you start, which is 75m. So if you START at 75m, how long does it take you to reach 75m?

OpenStudy (sloppycanada):

0 seconds? since you're already there.

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