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OpenStudy (erikaxx):

help me in linear differential equation pls

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

PROBLEM IS \[ydx +(xy+x-3y) dy = 0\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

@ganeshie8

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Rewrite as \[\dfrac{d\color{red}{x}}{dy} + \dfrac{y+1}{y}\color{red}{x} = 3\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

so divide both side by y dy

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

\[\frac{ dx }{ dy }+ y(xy+x-3y) = 0\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

@ganeshie8

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

looks you have multiplied y to second term instead of dividing

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

oops yes \[\frac{ dx }{ dy } +x +\frac{ x }{ y }-3\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

put it in standard form

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

\[\frac{ dx }{ dy } + (\frac{ xy+x }{ y })\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

= 3

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

keep going

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

then the p(y) = (xy+x/y)(x) and Q is 3

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

No

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

why

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

first put the equation in standard form so that you don't make mistakes like above

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

i already did

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

You haven't

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

what is the standard form ?

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

ax+ by =c

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

no

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

why

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

standard form : \[\dfrac{dx}{dy} + P(y)*y=Q(y)\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

ah standard form in linear

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

the standard form for x given by our prof is \[\frac{ dx }{ dy } + P(y)x = Q(y)\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Oh right, my equation is wrong

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Try putting your equation in standard form first

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

You should see dx/dy, x on the left hand side and only y terms on the right hand side

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

\[\frac{ dx }{ dy } - y = 3-x\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Hey its easy. take a deep breath and try again

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

You have : \[\frac{ dx }{ dy } +x +\frac{ x }{ y }=3\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Put it in your standard form

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

just factor out x from second and third terms \[\frac{ dx }{ dy } +\color{red}{x +\frac{ x }{ y }}=3\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

huh, my mind is rambling

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

You know what I already did that for you. Scroll up and look at my first reply in this thread

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

You will find the standard form in that reply

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

how it come y+1/y

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Pull out x from the red terms and tell me what you get \[\frac{ dx }{ dy } +\color{red}{x +\frac{ x }{ y }}=3\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

x(y+1)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

you look distracted

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

oops. x(1+y/y)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\color{red}{x+\dfrac{x}{y}}\] pulling out x gives you \[\color{red}{x\left(1+\dfrac{1}{y}\right)}\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

yes

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

leave it like that maybe

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[\frac{ dx }{ dy } +\color{red}{x +\frac{ x }{ y }}=3\] \[\frac{ dx }{ dy } +\color{red}{\left(1 +\frac{ 1 }{ y }\right)x}=3\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Compare that with the standard form \[\frac{ dx }{ dy } + P(y)x = Q(y)\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

P(y) = ? Q(y) = ?

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

so p(y) = (1+1/y) and q(y) = 3

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yes

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

go ahead and find IF

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

I.F = \[\int\limits (1+\frac{ 1 }{ y })dy\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

\[\int\limits ydy+ lny\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

I.F = \[e^{\int\limits (1+\frac{ 1 }{ y })dy}\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

yes forgot the e

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Do not show the integral and dy signs after evaluating the integral

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

\[\frac{ y^2 }{ 2 } + \ln y\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

sorry, i got y + lny

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

y +y^-1

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Yes, so the IF is \[e^{y+\ln y}\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

yes e^y = 1

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

yes

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

\[e^{y+\ln y} = e^y\bullet e^{\ln y} = e^y\bullet y = ye^y\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

so the solution now is \[(ye^y)x = \int\limits 3 (ye^y)dy +c\]

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Perfect! you may try evaluating that integral too

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

\[\int\limits 3ye^y dy\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

\[\frac{ 3y^2e^y }{ 2}\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

is that right

OpenStudy (phi):

try integration by parts int u dv = uv - int v du

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

u = 3y du = 3ydy dv = e^y v = ye^y

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

is that right

OpenStudy (phi):

let u = x and dv = e^y dy

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

du = dx and v = ye^y

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

uv - int vdu

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

xye^y - int ye^y dx

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

then what next

OpenStudy (phi):

oops, I meant let u = y and v = e^y dy (no x!)

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

so du =dy and v is ye^y right?

OpenStudy (phi):

dv= e^y dy v = e^y

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

oops sorry

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

so ye^y -int e^y dy

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

forgot the next process tho

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

can u do it

OpenStudy (phi):

\[ \int e^y \ dy \]

OpenStudy (phi):

is e^y

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

yes then

OpenStudy (phi):

and put in the 3 from out front

OpenStudy (phi):

and the constant of integration

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

so int 3e^y

OpenStudy (phi):

\[ 3\int y \ e^y \ dy = 3( y e^y - e^y) + C\]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

yes , but the anwer in book should be \[xy = 3(y-1) + ce ^{-y}\]

OpenStudy (phi):

remember, you are doing \[ (ye^y)x = \int\limits 3 (ye^y)dy +c \]

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

yes, so i will rewrite as (ye6y)x = 3(ye^y-e^y)

OpenStudy (phi):

how about \[ ye^y \ x = 3(y-1)e^y + C \] now multiply both sides by \(e^{-y} \)

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

yes, factor it out then i got xy = 3(y-1)+ ce^-y

OpenStudy (erikaxx):

thankyouuu

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