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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
help me in linear differential equation pls
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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
PROBLEM IS \[ydx +(xy+x-3y) dy = 0\]
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
@ganeshie8
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Rewrite as
\[\dfrac{d\color{red}{x}}{dy} + \dfrac{y+1}{y}\color{red}{x} = 3\]
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
so divide both side by y dy
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
\[\frac{ dx }{ dy }+ y(xy+x-3y) = 0\]
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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
@ganeshie8
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
looks you have multiplied y to second term instead of dividing
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
oops yes \[\frac{ dx }{ dy } +x +\frac{ x }{ y }-3\]
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
put it in standard form
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
\[\frac{ dx }{ dy } + (\frac{ xy+x }{ y })\]
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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
= 3
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
keep going
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
then the p(y) = (xy+x/y)(x) and Q is 3
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
No
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
why
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
first put the equation in standard form so that you don't make mistakes like above
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
i already did
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
You haven't
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
what is the standard form ?
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
ax+ by =c
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
no
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
why
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
standard form :
\[\dfrac{dx}{dy} + P(y)*y=Q(y)\]
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
ah standard form in linear
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
the standard form for x given by our prof is \[\frac{ dx }{ dy } + P(y)x = Q(y)\]
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Oh right, my equation is wrong
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Try putting your equation in standard form first
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
You should see dx/dy, x on the left hand side and only y terms on the right hand side
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
\[\frac{ dx }{ dy } - y = 3-x\]
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Hey its easy. take a deep breath and try again
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
You have :
\[\frac{ dx }{ dy } +x +\frac{ x }{ y }=3\]
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Put it in your standard form
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
just factor out x from second and third terms
\[\frac{ dx }{ dy } +\color{red}{x +\frac{ x }{ y }}=3\]
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
huh, my mind is rambling
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
You know what
I already did that for you. Scroll up and look at my first reply in this thread
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
You will find the standard form in that reply
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
how it come y+1/y
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Pull out x from the red terms and tell me what you get
\[\frac{ dx }{ dy } +\color{red}{x +\frac{ x }{ y }}=3\]
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
x(y+1)
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
you look distracted
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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
oops. x(1+y/y)
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
\[\color{red}{x+\dfrac{x}{y}}\]
pulling out x gives you
\[\color{red}{x\left(1+\dfrac{1}{y}\right)}\]
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
yes
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
leave it like that maybe
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
\[\frac{ dx }{ dy } +\color{red}{x +\frac{ x }{ y }}=3\]
\[\frac{ dx }{ dy } +\color{red}{\left(1 +\frac{ 1 }{ y }\right)x}=3\]
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ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Compare that with the standard form
\[\frac{ dx }{ dy } + P(y)x = Q(y)\]
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
P(y) = ?
Q(y) = ?
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
so p(y) = (1+1/y) and q(y) = 3
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Yes
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
go ahead and find IF
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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
I.F = \[\int\limits (1+\frac{ 1 }{ y })dy\]
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
\[\int\limits ydy+ lny\]
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
I.F = \[e^{\int\limits (1+\frac{ 1 }{ y })dy}\]
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
yes forgot the e
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Do not show the integral and dy signs after evaluating the integral
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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
\[\frac{ y^2 }{ 2 } + \ln y\]
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
sorry, i got y + lny
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
y +y^-1
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Yes, so the IF is
\[e^{y+\ln y}\]
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
yes e^y = 1
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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
yes
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
\[e^{y+\ln y} = e^y\bullet e^{\ln y} = e^y\bullet y = ye^y\]
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
so the solution now is
\[(ye^y)x = \int\limits 3 (ye^y)dy +c\]
ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):
Perfect!
you may try evaluating that integral too
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
\[\int\limits 3ye^y dy\]
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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
\[\frac{ 3y^2e^y }{ 2}\]
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
is that right
OpenStudy (phi):
try integration by parts int u dv = uv - int v du
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
u = 3y du = 3ydy dv = e^y v = ye^y
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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
is that right
OpenStudy (phi):
let u = x and dv = e^y dy
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
du = dx and v = ye^y
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
uv - int vdu
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
xye^y - int ye^y dx
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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
then what next
OpenStudy (phi):
oops, I meant let u = y and v = e^y dy (no x!)
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
so du =dy and v is ye^y right?
OpenStudy (phi):
dv= e^y dy
v = e^y
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
oops sorry
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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
so ye^y -int e^y dy
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
forgot the next process tho
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
can u do it
OpenStudy (phi):
\[ \int e^y \ dy \]
OpenStudy (phi):
is e^y
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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
yes then
OpenStudy (phi):
and put in the 3 from out front
OpenStudy (phi):
and the constant of integration
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
so int 3e^y
OpenStudy (phi):
\[ 3\int y \ e^y \ dy = 3( y e^y - e^y) + C\]
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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
yes , but the anwer in book should be \[xy = 3(y-1) + ce ^{-y}\]
OpenStudy (phi):
remember, you are doing
\[ (ye^y)x = \int\limits 3 (ye^y)dy +c \]
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
yes, so i will rewrite as
(ye6y)x = 3(ye^y-e^y)
OpenStudy (phi):
how about
\[ ye^y \ x = 3(y-1)e^y + C \]
now multiply both sides by \(e^{-y} \)
OpenStudy (erikaxx):
yes, factor it out then i got xy = 3(y-1)+ ce^-y
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OpenStudy (erikaxx):
thankyouuu