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OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

I need help with HW please!

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

@Vocaloid

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

are you familiar with the boiling point and freezing point elevation/depression formulas?

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

yes

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

good, let's start on the first problem then

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

okay

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

i think we willing be using the boiling point formula first

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

yes

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

then the freezing point

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

delta T = Kb * molality * i

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

the problem is the 104.75 do i subtract it from 100?

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

yes

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

that gives you your boiling point elevation (deltaT)

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

use that to solve for molality

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

then plug that into the freezing point formula

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

3.10=m

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

not quite

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

remember that i = 3 in this case

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

i did 0.51 x 3

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

then 1.53 divided by 4.75

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

where are you getting .51 from

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

kb= 0.51

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

kf= -1.86

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

oh right

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

correct

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

yes, that makes your molality 3.10

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

then plug that into the freezing formula

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

-17 is the freezing point?

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

good

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

i did -1.86 x 3.10 x 3

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

yes good

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

thx but can u help me with the others too?

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

do u want me to make new post?

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

sure

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

nah it's ok

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

thank you

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

i have no idea how to do the next one

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

for the next one you want to set up two equations, one for the pee and one for the pee + salt

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

so how would i set it up?

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

hm let me see

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

this one's a bit tricky

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

@sweetburger would you mind checking me on this one? I have an idea but i'm not 100% sure. it's the second problem on the page

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

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OpenStudy (sweetburger):

Which question number 10?

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

yes

OpenStudy (sweetburger):

\[\Delta T = -5.27C^o - (-3.16C^o)=-2.11 \] to represent the change in temperature. Otherwise looks good.

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

i'm not certain if i should use 2 for van't Hoff since this isn't pure water

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

( i mean, not a solution made from pure water + solute)

OpenStudy (sweetburger):

Van hoffs is still 2. Assume the question is relatively simple.

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

gotcha

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

in that case, we just set it up like this

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

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OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

oh so we have to convert it?

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

yes

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

just convert 15 grams of NaCl to moles

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

so first we solve for the m then convert

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

convert NaCl first

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

m= 2.1

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

hold on a sec

OpenStudy (sweetburger):

@MarcoReus11 how did you get m= 2.1?

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

first we convert 15 g NaCl to moles, giving us .256 moles .256/.175kg = 1.46 molality

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

0.51 x 2=1.02/2.11

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

2.11/1.02

OpenStudy (sweetburger):

Where does .51 come from?

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

we can't use 0.51 since this isn't water

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

thats what kb=

OpenStudy (sweetburger):

Follow what @Vocaloid did above.

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

we're solving for the Kb of pee

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

oh i see

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

0.72=kb

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

good

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

so its 0.72?

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

i would label it 0.72 KF right?

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

yes, Kf

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

(not Kb, that was a typo )

OpenStudy (sweetburger):

yea Kb is the base dissociation constant to measure the relative strength of a base.

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

okay just making sure thx

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

ready for 11?

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

yup

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

i think i should be ok on my own now

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

for 11, we solve for molarity

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

okay

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

it gives up 2 product with grams

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

so are we suppose to set up 2 different equation?

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

just one equation this time

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

okay

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

were you given a freezing point depression constant for ether?

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

yes -116.87

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

what about the constant?

Vocaloid (vocaloid):

Kf?

OpenStudy (marcoreus11):

-1.86

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