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OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

Urgent Calculus help please

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

The function f (x) has the value f (−1) = 1. The slope of the curve y = f (x) at any point is given by the expression dy/dx = (2x + 1)( y + 1) A. A. Write an equation for the line tangent to the curve y = f (x) at x = − 1. B. Use the tangent line from part A to estimate f (−0.9) C. Use separation of variables to find an explicit or implicit formula for y = f (x), with no integrals remaining. D.Find lim f (x) x-> ∞

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

@zepdrix

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Do you have any working? Or you want to understand the question from scratch?

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

Scratch

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Use the equation y =mx+c where m is dy/dx and y is 1 and x is -1

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Can you do it?

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

Ok so just plug those in? so 1=dy/dx(-1)+c?

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

And you also have the expression for derivative use that too

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

1=-1(2x + 1)( y + 1)+c ok so this?

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Plug in x and y values in the derivative too

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

Gosh dangit LOL ok I got that so solve?

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Yeah figure out c

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

c=1??? Or am I confusing myself

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

I am getting -1

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

hmmm maybe i messed up

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

I'm still getting 1 hm

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Post your working :-)

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

1=-1(2(-1) + 1)( 1 + 1)+c 1= 2+c -1=c I see my mistake now!!! oops!

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Now your equation will be Y=dy/dx x -1 Substitute the numerical value of dy/dx by substituting x and y value in it

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

ok

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

What do i do now

OpenStudy (loser66):

Still need help?

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

What's the final equation you got?

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

Not sure if i;m right

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

@baru Help?

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

y=-2 I don't think that's right @faiqRaees

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

@agent0smith

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

First use the given expression for dy/dx to find m - just plug in x=-1 and y=1 into the dy/dx

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

I think I did that already no?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

I don't know, I'm not gonna try to read through all this to figure out where you're up to, it's too hard to follow in progress questions. Once you have dy/dx, that's m, for y=mx+b

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

dy/dx = (2x + 1)( y + 1)

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Yes but do as I said, plug in x and y

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

dy/dx= -2

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

No... show work.

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

(-2+1)(1+1) (-1)(2) -2

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Oh sorry yes I thought it was division. Now you have m. Now you can make the equation of a line, since you have the slope and the point the line passes through (-1, 1)

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

y=-2x+1? I don;t recall the point

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

I just gave you the point.

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

you gave me -1 and 1

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Which is the point.

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

Ok... so I'm supposed to use them both in the equation?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

You have the slope and a point. Use them to make the equation of a line.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Like y=mx+b or y-y1 =m (x-x1)

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

Oh ok so point slope y+1=-2(x-1)?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

You made mistakes

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

y-1=-2(x+1) my bad

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Yep

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

That's it for A?

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Yep and part b is easy

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Just plug in the given x value into your equation Make a new post for part c since this is too long already.

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

So B would be y=1.2

OpenStudy (lorenbeech):

and Ok

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Looks right

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

I dont think part B is correct Part B has to be done by the tangent line approximation formula f(-0.9) = f(-1)+f'(-1)(-0.9+1)

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

^that's the same thing.

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

That's so not the same thing

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

What you asked her to do was find the y coordinate of the point on the tangent line when x coordinate is -0.9

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

Firstly, the question specifically asked her to use her tangent line from part a. Secondly f(-0.9) = f(-1)+f'(-1)(-0.9+1) = 1 + (-2)(0.1) = 0.8 y-1=-2(x+1) y-1=-2(-0.9+1) y -1 = -2(0.1) y = 0.8 Same thing like i said. That is what the tangent line is from part a... the same thing as what you gave.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

The tangent line approximation formula is the same thing as finding the tangent line, and using it to approximate.

OpenStudy (agent0smith):

\[\large f(x)=f(x_0)+f'(x_0)(x−x_0)\] this is the same thing as \[\large f(x)- f(x_0)=f'(x_0)(x−x_0)\] note the similarity to \[\large y- y_1 = m(x-x_1)\] They're the exact same thing, the formula for tangent line approximation, and actually finding the tangent line at a point, and using it to approximate the value of the function

OpenStudy (faiqraees):

Thanks for clarifying that

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