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OpenStudy (tootsi123):

A game has 3 possible outcomes, with probabilities p 1, p 2, and p 3. The amount of money that you will win or lose for each outcome is v 1, v 2, and v 3, respectively. What is the expression p 1 v 1 + p 2 v 2 + p 3 v 3 equal to?

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

The total amount you will win (or lose) in the long run. The average amount you will win (or lose) per game in the long run. The exact amount you will win (or lose) per game. The amount that you will win (or lose) for 3 games.

OpenStudy (aaronandyson):

Do you mean "p^1 , p^2"?

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

@AaronAndyson

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

I so hate this kind of question, at least on this site :D No real way to guide you to it... it's more of a question of vocabulary... ugh Anyway, short of outright telling you the answer (which I'm not even totally sure of) the value in question is called the "expected value" Which of those four choices best looks like an elaboration of the phrase "expected value"? Realistically, of course...

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

The average amount you will win (or lose) per game in the long run.

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

We're in agreement :)

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

Okay. Thank you.

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

No problem :)

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

Could you help me with another question please?

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

I do what I can.

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

A lottery ticket costs $5. You pick 3 two-digit numbers (anything from 00 to 99) in order. If you match the first number only, you win $200. If you match the first two numbers and not the third, you win $5000. If you match all three numbers, you win $100,000.

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

It wants to know if the game is fair or not. I do not know how to set up the work to solve it.

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

This is a real brainbuster. Well, not really...it might actually be enjoyable ^^ Let me ask you a question first... how do YOU define a fair game?

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

One in which the expected value is 0

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Ugh, you're so boring... did you look up the textbook definition? -_- I'm kidding, of course ^^ You're absolutely right, though I'd have hoped you'd phrase it in more "fun" words since we are talking of a game, after all XD Nonetheless, you ARE right, so can you go ahead and find the expected value? Or... is that where we begin? ^_^

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

Okay. That is where we begin the "game" i am unsure how because my example is not clear.

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Let me think for a minute

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

Alright.

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

And I'm done.

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Okay, step right up, go ahead and pick three two digit numbers out of a hundred and line them up in order, anything from 00 to 99... Or, we stop and think for a moment, if we line up three two-digit numbers, what are the chances that we win (in the first category)? That is to say, what are the odds that the first number we pick is the first number drawn?

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

24,53, 64. So, the chance that I would win the first number is \[\frac{ 24 }{ 99 }\] Would that be correct?

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

Or wait, no it should be \[\frac{ 1 }{ 99}\]

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Unfortunately, no, the numbers that the you (the player) choose do not figure into the calculations at all, they are not even treated as numbers, but just objects. double unfortunately, it seems LaTeX is not rendering on my browser. Hold for a moment while I refresh, and see if that solves it...

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

Okay

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Done, and done. Now, the problem, no matter how tempting, is that it's a little more complex than that. Ever heard of permutations?

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

By the way, it's \(\Large \frac1{100}\) there is a 1% chance of the first number drawn being the same as the first number on your ticket, HOWEVER, that also takes into account the possibility that the second number drawn is the second number on your ticket, which is a win of the SECOND category, and should not be counted in the first... Catch me so far?

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

Kind of. So, that would make the next fraction \[\frac{ 2 }{ 100 }\]?

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

I'm sorry

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

The way I began this problem was unnecessarily confusing, so can we start over? I think I have my thoughts better organised now ^^

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

Alright. That works.

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Expected value. To get this, we need the list of ALL possible outcomes. And they are... -You LOSE -1st Category Win (ONLY the first number is correct; pays 200) -2nd Category win (ONLY the first two numbers are correct; pays 5000) -Jackpot (ALL numbers correct; pays 100,000) So far, so good, yes?

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

Yes.

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

That's actually, not very accurate ugh... It's so hard to phrase XD But I'll try... Better phrased: X = wrong O = right ? = doesn't matter -Loss: X ? ? -Win1: O X ? -Win2: O O X -Jackpot: O O O In other words, in the first category win, the third drawn number could literally be anything, right, or wrong, it doesn't matter, as long as the second number is wrong. Does that make sense? I feel like I'm being convoluted T.T

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

It makes since.

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Well, good. Now, permutations, if you haven't heard of them, then l'll make do. Question: How many ways are there, total, to draw three numbers from a hundred?

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Draw three numbers in ORDER, that is. There is a simple way to figure this out: For the first number, there are 100 possible outcomes For the second number, there will only be 99 left, since one is already picked For the third, there will be only 98. So the number of total possible ways to draw three numbers in order from a hundred is 100 x 99 x 98 which I would rather not work out, it's simpler this way :> Catching me still?

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

Yes, perfectly.

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Good. This will be the basis of our probabilities. Now, how many ways are there to draw a LOSING set of three numbers? Can you work that out? ^^

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Just to remind you, for a draw to be a total loss, the first number has to be incorrect. Nothing else matters. X ? ? So... how do we get this?

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

So, if losing and only the first number has to be wrong then it would still be 100, correct?

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Not exactly. Put it this way, of the 100 numbers you could draw, how many of them are NOT the first number in your ticket?

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

oh 99.

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Yes. 99 possibilities for the first number of the draw. And the second?

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

98

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Nope :) There were 100 numbers in total, but for the first number, we refrained from one of them because that particular one would have made this draw, well, not a loss. So only 99 for the first number But we still have only taken away one number, so for the second number of the draw, upon which there are NO restrictions, there are still 99 possible picks! Get me? ^^

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

Okay, which means the third on would also be 99.

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

No. Because by the time we get to the third, we'd have taken away two numbers ^^ The first, and the second. So 98 for the third ^^ Are you feeling the brainbusting yet? :D

OpenStudy (tootsi123):

Hmm. Okay i think i follow what you are saying there. Oh yeah. It's exploding.

terenzreignz (terenzreignz):

Let me run it down. To get a losing draw: For the first number, only 99, since we can't pick the correct first number For the second number, still 99, since the only number we can't pick is whatever we picked for the first one. For the third number, 98, since we can't pick whatever was the first or second number Got it now?

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