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OpenStudy (studying):

Suppose you get 7 heads in 8 flips. This seems odd... I mean on average you expect to get half heads and half tails. But then again odd things happen. Certainly in the history of the humankind, a fair coin has been flipped 8 times with a result of 7 heads. Before accusing your friend of being a cheater, let’s find the probability of something so odd happening. i. If the the coin is fair, what is the probability of getting a result so far (or farther) from the “expected” result of 4 heads?

OpenStudy (studying):

Is it the same as saying "What is the probability of getting 5 or MORE heads? But I wasnt sure on how to go solve that...

OpenStudy (studying):

any lucky guys?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

You simply need to find the probability of getting EXACTLY 7 heads

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Since we're doing the experiment 8 times, consider an 8 letter string

OpenStudy (studying):

Hmm...but its asking me what the probability is of getting anything that is farther than 4 (the average number of heads)

OpenStudy (studying):

There was a remark the teacher added here after the question that said.. "Remark: The distinction between computing “the probability of getting a result exactly as far” and “the probability of getting a result so far (or farther)” is important. When flipping 20 coins, for example, the probability of getting exactly 12 heads is only about 12%, but 12 heads is not a very unusual result when flipping a coin 20 times – in fact when flipping a coin 20 times you’ll getting 12 or more heads about 25% of the time and 8 or fewer heads about 25% of the time, meaning you get a result as far or farther (as 12 is) from the expected value of 10 about 50% of the time."

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

So you want to find the probability that the number of heads is greater than 4 ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Consider an 8 letter string : x x x x x x x x

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Each letter has two options : H or T Total how many different strings are possible ?

OpenStudy (studying):

256

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

How did you get 256 ?

OpenStudy (studying):

That is the possible outcome when we flip a coin 8 times. 2^k = 2^8 = 256 since each time there is a possibility of two outcomes

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Good. Next look at how many of them have exactly 5 H

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

If a string has exactly 5 H, it must have exactly 3 H

OpenStudy (studying):

True....But thats where I am stuck.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

5 heads to fill. And you have 8 empty spaces to choose from

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

How many ways can you choose 5 spaces from the available 8 spaces ?

OpenStudy (studying):

How would I solve that..? LIke there are too many possibilities for me to write it down?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Lets go through a simpler example first

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Imagine you went to a restaurant to have breakfast

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

You're too much hungry that you want to eat 2 items

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

The menu has 3 different items. How many different combinations are possible ?

OpenStudy (studying):

3^3? = 27

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Nope. Forget math. Think like a illeterate man/woman

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

You have 3 different items to choose from. You want to pick 2 items. How many different combinations are possible ?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Maybe label the items as : A, B, C

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Which two of the above letters you like most ?

OpenStudy (studying):

We can make combinations AB, AC, BC, BA, CA and CB?

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Good. Here the order doesn't matter. AB is same as BA. End of the day, you will remember what things you ate for breakfast. Not the order in which you have eaten them.

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Since the order doesn't matter, how many combinations are possible ?

OpenStudy (studying):

AB, CA, AND CB

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Excellent! so there are exactly 3 ways to choose 2 items from 3 items

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Can we generalize this

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

How many ways can you pick "r" items from a collection of "n" items ?

OpenStudy (studying):

Are you asking for a equation..?

OpenStudy (campbell_st):

wow...that was lucky

OpenStudy (samigupta8):

Yep! He is asking for an equation to generalise the example given by him.

OpenStudy (samigupta8):

Have you studied the combination stuff??

OpenStudy (studying):

Nope...Im pretty lost on probability.

OpenStudy (samigupta8):

Ok! You might have found that there were three cases possible for you to have your breakfast. Right? So that simply means 3C2 combinations were possible. So far clear to you??

OpenStudy (studying):

Yes :) So...Would it be 8C5?

OpenStudy (samigupta8):

Great!

OpenStudy (studying):

So would I do... "8C5 + 8C6 + 8C7 + 8C8" to get the probability of five or more?

OpenStudy (samigupta8):

Correct! Remember these are just the possible outcomes. To evaluate the probability you would have to divide them by total cases.

OpenStudy (studying):

Wow. YOU ARE A LIFESAVER.

OpenStudy (studying):

Thank you so muchhhh! Daniyavad!

OpenStudy (samigupta8):

Welcum;)

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Awesome !

OpenStudy (studying):

One last question guys.

OpenStudy (studying):

Since its asking what the probability I wont get 4 or heads is...Would I also have to add "8C1 + 8C2 +8C3" to 8C5+..8C8"

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

It was your question. You should ask your teacher

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Also "8C5 + 8C6 + 8C7 + 8C8" is not the probability

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

Remember, probability is always between 0 and 1. It is NEVER greater than 1.

OpenStudy (studying):

Right! I will have to divide it by 256

ganeshie8 (ganeshie8):

good

OpenStudy (studying):

Thank you so much guys. Wish I could give both of you medals! :)

OpenStudy (samigupta8):

Give it to him!

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