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OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

Need help understanding factorials and their role in probability:

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

A burger joint offers 3 types of meats and 7 condiments. A burger just include meat, but my include as many or as few condiments as the customer wants. How many different burgers are possible? A) 8! B) 3 7! C) 3 8! D) 8 2^7 E) 3 2^7

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

So I know the answer is E but I picked B. I thought it would be 3* 8! because you had 8 choices of condiments (because some may want all or none). What is the difference in ! and 2^7?

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

I understand ! means like 3*2*1

OpenStudy (phi):

let me think about this. I do know we see factorials when we start with N objects, and pick them in order. for example if we have 7 spices, and we choose the first one 7 choices for the first choice. 6 choices for the 2nd 5 for the 3rd etc. so factorial implies order. eg. pepper, salt is a different permutation than salt,pepper

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

Ok. I did not know that. So in this case, since it is a hamburger, there is no "order." They can pick whatever they want however. So we use 2^7. Ok. But what if they did not want condiments? Isn't 0^7 0 and 0*3=0?

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

But I guess 1^7 is 1 and 3*1 is still 3

OpenStudy (phi):

the idea of choosing (or not choosing) 7 things is a bit tricky (and was not obvious at all how to do it) let's use 2 things (instead of 7): we can pick A,B or A or B or neither if we use 0 for not pick, and 1 for pick and assume A is first and B is second, we can write this table A B 0 0 we picked neither 0 1 we picked B 1 0 we picked A 1 1 we picked both notice that we can "classify" those 2 choices for A (i.e. 0 or 1) times 2 choices for B = 4 choices all together if we had 3 things, the number of choices would be 2*2*2 = 8 or in general 2^n

OpenStudy (amtran_bus):

That makes so much sense. Thanks so much! I'm gonna work more problems like this to solidify it. Thanks again!

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